tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post997943439377611573..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: If I Were a Short, Balding, Mediocre White Man I Would Write an Advice Column For Poor Black Kids in Forbes MagazineLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40400478220465692572011-12-15T12:08:50.798-06:002011-12-15T12:08:50.798-06:00@Paul
I am glad you have clarified your comments n...@Paul<br />I am glad you have clarified your comments nevertheless I still have reservations about your content you remind me of many white liberals whose share table space with white conservatives when Black folks are on the menu..Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5933576015765017892011-12-15T10:49:55.412-06:002011-12-15T10:49:55.412-06:00Thrasher: "Yet you now try to distance yourse...Thrasher: "Yet you now try to distance yourself and insert some tired fiction about Mark's agenda."<br /><br />Distance myself? How so?<br /><br />Thrasher: "Then you conclude with indicting poor chidren by blaming them for their lot in life."<br /><br />No, I do not.<br /><br />I can see now how you have concluded that I do, because I said something that could be taken two ways, and you took it in the worse way it could be taken. I apologize for not being clear. But the fact is, I do not believe poor children are to be blamed for their lot in life.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-84246643371675397602011-12-15T10:28:04.339-06:002011-12-15T10:28:04.339-06:00@Paul,
I know what I am thinking it is YOUR under...@Paul,<br /><br />I know what I am thinking it is YOUR underdeveloped views and prose that deserves to be challenged and condemned..<br /><br />Mark's entire nonsense begins with his desired to be a poor Black kid!<br /><br />Yet you now try to distance yourself and insert some tired fiction about Mark's agenda.. Then you conclude with indicting poor chidren by blaming them for their lot in life..<br /><br />As I noted earlier and your latest comments have confirmed for me You probably look just like Gene Marks!Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36645868578233316282011-12-15T09:43:06.934-06:002011-12-15T09:43:06.934-06:00I don't agree with Marks, Thrasher --- if that...I don't agree with Marks, Thrasher --- if that's what you're thinking.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25173928859793850912011-12-15T08:56:07.040-06:002011-12-15T08:56:07.040-06:00@ Paul,
You can't be that dense or serious? I...@ Paul,<br /><br />You can't be that dense or serious? I would wager you look like Gene Marks given your hollow and myopic comments..You exhibit quite a cultural blind spot but I understand it is a tragic aspect of the pathological nature of majority bandwidth in AmericaPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74851508079396799262011-12-14T19:38:46.637-06:002011-12-14T19:38:46.637-06:00Maybe I'm wrong, but after reading his piece, ...Maybe I'm wrong, but after reading his piece, I don't think Marks intends to offer advice to poor Black children. I think is intention is to demonstrate to his rich White readers that they have no reason to feel bad about income inequality in this country because even a poor Black child from the inner-city can succeed if he's willing to work hard enough. That is, if he fails, it's his own fault. <br /><br />That's my take on it, for whatever it's worth.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27297033317194161592011-12-14T19:27:58.477-06:002011-12-14T19:27:58.477-06:00How wonderful of him to care more about por black ...How wonderful of him to care more about por black children more than poor white children, enough to offer them advice on how to succeed. He's not the first to opine on how it is lack of effort that keeps the black youth down. In fact, he's in the majority. Right along with those charged with teaching our young children. This includes those within our own race. What chance do young black youth have when even those who are supposed to be teaching them inherently feel as though they are incapable anyway? And so it goes... Everyday there is a comment that degrades blacks and everyday we go about our lives as if nothing has benn said. Have we been rendered impotent? Are we not able to defend our race anymore? Or will we go out tomorrow and buy that Coach bag, or the latest game to continue to enrich those who demonstrate that to insult us as a people is of no consequence?<br /> <br />What he did get right was that poor black children are no less smart than his own children. I agree with him on that. In fact, anyone who has spent any time around poor black youth knows that they are wise beyond their years. They also work as hard as anyone in whatever it is they have an interest. Unfortunately, there is not enough interest in academics but, in sports, in entertainment, there are an over abundance of smart, poor, black kids. There is where they work very hard at trying to hit the lotto of opportunity. The questions why does this appear to be the only way out for most of them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35806194780755277242011-12-14T17:19:59.496-06:002011-12-14T17:19:59.496-06:00Cnu
Only because I respect WARN I will not out yo...Cnu<br /><br />Only because I respect WARN I will not out you but in any event appreciate the award before Xmas ...lol lol lolPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-11828913494803032742011-12-14T14:14:55.666-06:002011-12-14T14:14:55.666-06:00You are a high ranking official in our nation'...<i>You are a high ranking official in our nation's Department of Education</i><br /><br />rotflmbao....whew!!!!<br /><br />Greg Thrasher<br /><br />2012 Recipient <br /><br />CNu's Most Clueless Jiggaboo of the Year Award<br /><br />accept no substitutes!CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12273015714167020792011-12-14T12:40:49.593-06:002011-12-14T12:40:49.593-06:00CNu
You are a high ranking official in our nation...CNu<br /><br />You are a high ranking official in our nation's Department of Education why don't you get off your chatter box ass and do something to eliminate these worthless 'ism' educators you love to attack on a web site behind the cloak of your alias..<br /><br />No but wait that would require courage and conviction on your part...But wait I guess you could post some more happy negro tales about your sons and how they raise money....lol,lol,lolPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63869308967701293132011-12-14T12:40:11.731-06:002011-12-14T12:40:11.731-06:00"I would use homework tools like Backpack, an..."I would use homework tools like Backpack, and Diigo to help me store and share my work with other classmates. I would use Skype to study with other students who also want to do well in my school. I would take advantage of study websites like Evernote, Study Rails, Flashcard Machine, Quizlet, and free online calculators."<br /><br />I would have a computer and internet access and money to pay for it. Oh, and enough food to eat.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28132962463930237122011-12-14T12:25:41.356-06:002011-12-14T12:25:41.356-06:00Svelte asked the same question I did. WHY is this ...<i>Svelte asked the same question I did. WHY is this article in Forbes magazine? Are issues of Forbes being passed around inner city schools?</i> <br /><br />Shouldn't it be? Or is the presumption that XXL is the only appropriate hood periodical?<br /><br /><i>On top of that, if you're smart and hardworking, it might be hard to be that top student given how, in my experience as a tutor in an inner city with poor schools, often the teachers are factually and conceptually incorrect about things.</i><br /><br />Ah, after mining all the whining - a gem of authentic value turns up in the sluice. I wonder if it will elicit proper scrutiny?<br /><br /><i>How are we changing and improving education?</i><br /><br />rotflmbao..., that's the very last thing on the higher academic "ism" chasers' minds. They're only paid to whine professionally and with great erudition (priors) about what other folks do or don't do. <br /><br />jiggaboos are a neverending source of priceless comedy gold....,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23102832909598395852011-12-14T09:40:25.893-06:002011-12-14T09:40:25.893-06:00Well, I only ask one question, How are we changing...Well, I only ask one question, How are we changing and improving education? I understand that Mark's article is what happens when "others" tell our story, but are we finishing the book. My parents even though divorced worked to get me life experiences that helped my choices later in life. I played sports, music, and was forced to take spanish lessions. The spanish is gone but the focus and good study habits have taken me far. The point is it starts at home. If all our kids did better than the parents then that would be a good start.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7626298205134147972011-12-14T09:38:04.645-06:002011-12-14T09:38:04.645-06:00"And like flies on shit, black conservative a..."And like flies on shit, black conservative apologists will soon start hovering". Really? BOTH of them?Jonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170214396483091419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58982528803844882122011-12-14T09:24:08.325-06:002011-12-14T09:24:08.325-06:00Articles like this make me despair for our polity,...Articles like this make me despair for our polity, just when I thought I had reached the very bottom of my black well of despair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51584646291230606782011-12-14T09:14:06.771-06:002011-12-14T09:14:06.771-06:00Why must Black folks always respond to the various...Why must Black folks always respond to the various and endless displays of white racism, privledge, insults, yada,yada,yada?<br /><br />At some point this behavior on our part has to end..Clearly this garden variety patronizing white bigot was posturing for his peers and the readership of Forbes..<br /><br />What is gained by the Black community in giving these tired repetitive bigots attention and circulation in our networks.. We already know the legacy, pathologies of white racism in America from slavery, segregation, disparate treatment, profiling, etc, etc etc.<br /><br />I argue, opine and propose that besides ignoring these constant pathological behaviors, events, situations, acts etc, etc,etc..<br /><br />That we carry on about the nature , development, activities of being Black folks in all manner and incarnations..<br /><br />Am I wrong? At some point is there a point with playing these tunes over and over and over in the venues of our culture and collective personhood and community??Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89761270338512301902011-12-14T07:26:16.023-06:002011-12-14T07:26:16.023-06:00No, not mostly harmless.
Because it gives the peo...No, not mostly harmless.<br /><br />Because it gives the people who read Forbes a pass from getting rid of housing segregation and horrific schooling inequalities.<br /><br />Like someone on Isis's thread said, being the top student at a cruddy school won't help you compete at a top college. <br /><br />On top of that, if you're smart and hardworking, it might be hard to be that top student given how, in my experience as a tutor in an inner city with poor schools, often the teachers are factually and conceptually incorrect about things.<br /><br />And are we really succeeding if only the brightest and hardest working kid of one race succeeds while the mediocre and worse of another race excels? Too often these arguments focus on the top tail... "This famous woman got tenured at Berkeley, so there must not be sex discrimination... she just had to work 3x as hard as the guys." What we should be seeing is the female or minority who is average has the same opportunities and success as the white male who is average. Until that happens we haven't achieved fairness.<br /><br />Yes, everybody who is discriminated against needs to work harder to get to the same place... but that doesn't mean society gets a bye on fixing institutional problems that force that extra work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19979731016308243652011-12-14T04:02:41.063-06:002011-12-14T04:02:41.063-06:00Svelte asked the same question I did. WHY is this ...Svelte asked the same question I did. WHY is this article in Forbes magazine? Are issues of Forbes being passed around inner city schools? <br /><br />As far as the content of the article- starting out by admitting that you don't know anything about the subject of your essay is a honest admission, but giving answers when you don't know the questions doesn't work. <br /><br />Well meaning and mostly harmless.Jim in St Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028577920540521692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10499132035377934392011-12-14T01:32:09.818-06:002011-12-14T01:32:09.818-06:00i soooooo hate to say this, but mark is right - du...i soooooo hate to say this, but mark is right - due to the nature of the industry. IT is just as racist as any other industry, so im not suggesting that it doesnt exist. its there every time i consult for a company near a metro area and there are 5 blacks for every 200 employees. that said, however, skill sets matter most. many companies are hard-pressed to find java programmers or various types of other developers. these are a few of many skills that one can technically learn on their own. armed with a certification and fortitude, the doors to employment can be pried open. <br /><br />why mark felt compelled to write his article and submit it to forbes is still incomprehensible. his action reeks of condescension. if he was truly concerned about urban black youth, he would have submitted his comments to a medium directed toward them. <br /><br />ive concluded that while still accountable, uncoloreds simply dont have control of their racist ways.ms_sveltenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75031491265433071012011-12-13T21:32:42.386-06:002011-12-13T21:32:42.386-06:00According to Gene Mark, "It takes a little lu...According to Gene Mark, "It takes a little luck. And a little help from others."<br /><br />I adore the way he downplays just how much luck and how much help from others typically goes into succeeding in any society.<br /><br />A friend of mine is a self-made millionaire who worked every day of the year for years to get where he is. That's no exaggeration -- if he took time off, it was for half a day only. He did that for at least a decade.<br /><br />When he talks about that period in his life, he doesn't emphasize how much he worked. He acknowledges it, but he doesn't underline it. Instead, he emphasizes <i>how lucky he's been.</i> And he means it.<br /><br />But I think most people are like Mark. They don't have a clue how much luck plays a role in their success.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55491656720227416462011-12-13T20:05:21.040-06:002011-12-13T20:05:21.040-06:00What is the answer for Black folks in face of this...What is the answer for Black folks in face of this reality a society of white folks who simply have a cultural dna that is adverse to our very being??<br /><br />I had a conversation today with a white person and I suggested to him for decades white folks have been under the belief we are genetically inferior perhaps there is a gene for white folks pathological racial condition..<br /><br />Marks does us a great service by reminding us at any second in America to white america we are zeroes...Knowing that alone liberates and makes me a ICON of course a FREE BLACK MAN 24/7 doing whatever/whenever/whereever..<br /><br />I have ignore white folks for decades now and my life is quite rewardingPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89892451609231550592011-12-13T19:41:58.992-06:002011-12-13T19:41:58.992-06:00I'm on tenterhooks for his essay on what he wo...I'm on tenterhooks for his essay on what he would do if he *was* a woman. I could be here all day picking this crap apart but the thing that really told me that he needs a clue is that he thinks by sheer virtue of being the best student in the worst school you will automatically have the knowledge base required to keep up at a top 10 university. That your education in and of itself isn't lacking (resources, consistency) just the effort put into it. Amazingly short-sighted given that many of his white conservative colleagues are educated and don't know basic facts about US history, government, and what was the third one?Henri B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00892218291117471971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55613102179073171432011-12-13T19:36:52.784-06:002011-12-13T19:36:52.784-06:00Hey CD, my cousin sent me the link earlier today; ...Hey CD, my cousin sent me the link earlier today; I opened it, saw the title and his pic and immediately thought, "I'm sick and tired of "them" telling people how to be!" I did not read the article and I don't neeed to because I knew exactly what it would say. I know this sounds bad but I am sick and tired of white people and their ignorance! <br /><br />MBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com