tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post958554608839348071..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Featured Reader Comment: "To Take Ownership of My Whiteness is to Accept That Any Violence Done Unto Me is in Some Sense Deserved by My Complicity..."Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29593976228734427832012-04-25T19:50:42.770-05:002012-04-25T19:50:42.770-05:00@Sledge,
I am just pounding you into submisssion ...@Sledge,<br /><br />I am just pounding you into submisssion in a chat forum stop making it sexual..lol,lol,lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80947925865981046082012-04-25T17:43:38.622-05:002012-04-25T17:43:38.622-05:00"you ain't seen nothing yet wrt what Doub..."you ain't seen nothing yet wrt what Double-O has been given license to do"<br /><br />Even a broke clock is right twice a day.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57408536197239435262012-04-25T15:52:40.849-05:002012-04-25T15:52:40.849-05:00@ Anon
Keep it up and people are going to start t...@ Anon<br /><br />Keep it up and people are going to start thinking you have hidden feelings of affection for me.<br /><br />I'm starting to be a little concerned that this might be the case myself.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6405972069980891772012-04-25T15:41:51.900-05:002012-04-25T15:41:51.900-05:00@Sledge,
Everytime you post now your confirm my i...@Sledge,<br /><br />Everytime you post now your confirm my indictment of you as an underdeveloped white male..Your affirmation of CNu and his insanity does not surprise ..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-38966074856975539512012-04-25T15:29:02.070-05:002012-04-25T15:29:02.070-05:00CNu even an underdeveloped white guy can see you a...CNu even an underdeveloped white guy can see you are a black prophet for your people in the wilderness.<br /><br />I think you should change your tag to Noah. They called him nuts too. But they were sure knocking on the door of the Ark in mass numbers when the rains came.<br /><br />Anon keep it to yourself. I don't give a, what's that word CNu uses, phuk what you think.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87913129564021142852012-04-25T14:39:28.961-05:002012-04-25T14:39:28.961-05:00I rest my case.I rest my case.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51888786011562423552012-04-25T12:03:50.291-05:002012-04-25T12:03:50.291-05:00Nah magne, I realized a looooong time ago, even be...Nah magne, I realized a looooong time ago, even before my terminal abandonment of "triflings" that there is no enduring glory in messianic fame and glory.<br /><br />IOW - I would love, love, love to see Malcolm and Martin still alive and grey, still shiningly upright and holding forth an aspirational standard - because their ultimate personal sacrifices simply weren't worth it. <br /><br />Those for whom they sacrificed everything did not and do not deserve the sacrifices that these princely men made.<br /><br />As for the triflings, my unmasked terminology is no accident. Their day of reckoning is not that far away and you ain't seen nothing yet wrt what Double-O has been given license to do if the triflings act out en masse. Libya is just a foretaste of the things to come.<br /><br />What're they gonna do, call the first black preznit racist too?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49438922658381971722012-04-25T10:26:55.426-05:002012-04-25T10:26:55.426-05:00Well, your crowd may do things that annoy you; I d...Well, your crowd may do things that annoy you; I don't pay that much attention. But I know they don't go around making it "national policy" to napalm little kids. (Or they didn't until early 2009.)Tomhttp://automaticpreference.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45746935501441580132012-04-25T09:23:22.676-05:002012-04-25T09:23:22.676-05:00A few years of direct access and exposure to the p...A few years of direct access and exposure to the profound dysfunctions of a public school district was all it took to permanently cure me of any misplaced loyalty to lives devoid of value...,<br /><br />Coupled with the monkey-house shrieks and feces-flinging of dismay and disdain from those abandoned - there won't be any going back.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46794829493800710662012-04-25T09:11:47.685-05:002012-04-25T09:11:47.685-05:00CNu welcome to the "self-hating" team. ...CNu welcome to the "self-hating" team. I.e., those of us who feel no particular loyalty to vast groups of folks we've never met, but who claim to be "our people."<br /><br />You'll never see me excusing the raw neanderthal clownage on Kos and Atrios, that's for sure.Tomhttp://automaticpreference.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46391516340064720992012-04-25T09:09:01.530-05:002012-04-25T09:09:01.530-05:00'"elite" means studious, dignified, ...'"elite" means studious, dignified, competent, and capable- guilty as charged. '<br /><br />That's what it normally means. In your case it means "nuts".nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49616141168108504622012-04-25T09:06:13.229-05:002012-04-25T09:06:13.229-05:00Nonsense poor people can exhibit the same values.....Nonsense poor people can exhibit the same values...You are an inflated bougee your standards don't matter<br /><br />My people have nothing to do with class metrics ..Just sayingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21928700859868008392012-04-25T08:24:30.897-05:002012-04-25T08:24:30.897-05:00Since as demonstrated on these discussion threads ...Since as demonstrated on these discussion threads over the past couple of weeks - "elite" means studious, dignified, competent, and capable- guilty as charged. <br /><br />Those are baseline prerequisites for being "my people" - and frankly - anyone failing to meet those basic standards has no value I feel obliged to acknowledge or respect.<br /><br />phukkem....,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77644049877162857652012-04-25T08:08:01.883-05:002012-04-25T08:08:01.883-05:00@ sabrinabee
"only those who can be bought on...@ sabrinabee<br />"only those who can be bought one way or another, whether it bbe by stepping on those coming up behind you or learning how to put the q-tips in when you hear the cries of your people, are allowed in." <br /><br />That's the way the some of these antiblack black elite roll.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23504882945142866202012-04-24T23:33:38.369-05:002012-04-24T23:33:38.369-05:00Ri think one misperception is that we are sitting ...Ri think one misperception is that we are sitting around conjuring images of whitey "getting his" and that we would love to see nothing more than him being assaulted and destitute. In chains with whips and Rottweilers barking them down. This, to me, serves again to make blacks appear hateful, hearless and unforgiving. Scary. Most blacks, thinking blacks are thoughtful and considerate, sometimes to a fault, and do not feel that anyone deserve to have violence perpetrated against them as payment for past deeds. So that part of the post is insulting to me.<br /><br />As to where we go from here, I think that there is a parallel that has to be overcome. Those that recognize the ills of the past yet benefit from the organizational structures that were put in place as a result, have been indoctrinated to believe that this is the greatest society that could ever exist with little to no need for improvement. That produces a reluctance to examine and/or challenge the status quo. Of course, the status has been such since the birth of this country and those of us minorities who seek to be seen as equal have to work within this flawed structure that is dominated by the white upper class. <br /><br />Minorities don't realize that thought some may sneak through, it will never be enough to make a difference and only those who can be bought one way or another, whether it bbe by stepping on those coming up behind you or learning how to put the q-tips in when you hear the cries of your people, are allowed in. The lower classes don't realize that this is as much about them as it is about minorities and that baseball and NASCAR are not an equalizer. Our structure of greed, the foundation of this country, will always be a divider. As Fred says above, until we put the group collective over individual greed there is nothing we can do but observe and report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32558602514759836682012-04-24T19:28:26.342-05:002012-04-24T19:28:26.342-05:00I forgot to add Mr. Thrasher also lets us use his ...I forgot to add Mr. Thrasher also lets us use his car, pc and backyard for B-Ball Games..Just sayin..<br /><br />@Older Woman: Great Post!Thanks for co-signing my comments!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22920497777395007042012-04-24T18:00:16.248-05:002012-04-24T18:00:16.248-05:00I'm White. To the Black people who say they fi...I'm White. To the Black people who say they find White guilt boring or a distraction I say: makes sense to me. I figured out a long time ago that White guilt is White people's problem and Black people (and other people of color) have too many of their own problems to worry about mine. I'm only discussing the issue here because Chauncey asked the question.<br /><br />So my remarks are only addressed to Adam & Chauncey & whomever else is actually interested in the conversation. A marriage counselor long ago said what I think is the most important thing on the subject: guilt is a substitute for doing something about a situation. I feel guilty when I can think of things you could do and don't do them. I am very aware of my race & class privilege and very aware of not giving them up. What I think is healthy is to recognize that we cannot change the past, neither the things that happened before we were born nor the things we ourselves did that we are not proud of. But we can look forward and ask ourselves whether there are things we can do to improve structural conditions or attack racial prejudice or racial hierarchies. Guilt is temporarily useful if it makes us feel bad enough to stop and examine how we are living our lives and whether we want to change. It is useful if it leads to change. But wallowing in guilt is just a self-indulgent substitute for taking responsibility for the position we've inherited in society and the consequences of our own past actions.olderwomanhttp://sociologicalconfessions.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26766693108043360972012-04-24T17:07:13.172-05:002012-04-24T17:07:13.172-05:00CD,
Clearly you don't live in Detroit years a...CD,<br /><br />Clearly you don't live in Detroit years ago Mr. Thrasher was an activist who knock on the doors of drug dealers and told them to leave it was very dangerous but he became quite the legend<br /><br />I discovered this from my older cousins..He was also the first Black patient in a suburban catholic hospital, first Black web blogger for the Detroit News, Founder of Alternative Think Tank..<br /><br />He was the first Black host of a TV Cable Show in the suburbs as well as other awards ..<br /><br />I am sure Mr. Thrasher can fill in all the gaps but I do know he has retired from street activism because of a lot of death threats.<br /><br />He is truly in our circle a living Legend.. Just sayinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69667960880501209542012-04-24T16:01:04.207-05:002012-04-24T16:01:04.207-05:00Uh CDV..., you got that statcounter widget inserte...Uh CDV..., you got that statcounter widget inserted into the WARN frontpage serving up tangible proof of Thrasher touching himself yet?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45352148598672692132012-04-24T14:33:12.408-05:002012-04-24T14:33:12.408-05:00@Anon. ".Mr. Thrasher is a living legend"...@Anon. ".Mr. Thrasher is a living legend"<br /><br />I do like him. But I was unaware of his legendary status. Please share more. What great feats did he accomplish? Were there trials and challenges like Hercules?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18642979658995898892012-04-24T13:59:37.255-05:002012-04-24T13:59:37.255-05:00Tom,
Yes he has been our group leader for years.M...Tom,<br /><br />Yes he has been our group leader for years.Mr. Thrasher is a living legend and activist he no longer engages in street activism but he does still write a lot of commentaries on Vox Union, Voice of Detroit and other sites as well...<br /><br />Check him out!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-82180834053801652862012-04-24T13:49:41.854-05:002012-04-24T13:49:41.854-05:00Anon. 2:19, Sounds like you know "Mr. Thrashe...Anon. 2:19, Sounds like you know "Mr. Thrasher" very well.Tomhttp://automaticpreference.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31162437528939482772012-04-24T13:19:25.915-05:002012-04-24T13:19:25.915-05:00@CNu
You are one crazed fuck to wish that on Mr. ...@CNu<br /> You are one crazed fuck to wish that on Mr. Thrasher...He must be all in your head..<br /><br />@ Tom <br />I agree 100% with you about Wise he has a patronixing telfon know it all salesman's side of him that makes me want to tel l him to fuck off..<br /> He reminds me of people who think they have some magic information about something and he wants to be some super sage..<br /> As a Black activist I have no time for his elementry racial analysis at all..I would never endorse or read his pedestrian shit nor encourage others..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70369342834747384862012-04-24T13:17:40.411-05:002012-04-24T13:17:40.411-05:00@CDV,
Gotcha, and I agree entirely. S'partly...@CDV,<br /><br />Gotcha, and I agree entirely. S'partly why I think whiteys like me need to focus on shutting up and listening.<br /><br />As you might imagine, this does not come easily, because <br /><br />IHAVESOMANYVERYIMPORTANTTHINGSTOSAY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22922926588800232222012-04-24T11:46:28.620-05:002012-04-24T11:46:28.620-05:00Also, I know this is wrong, but no matter how much...Also, I know this is wrong, but no matter how much I agree with what he says, Tim Wise gives me the creeps.Tomhttp://automaticpreference.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com