tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post9192894837286934143..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Their Eyes Are Watching You: The UK's Guardian Discovers Sexism and Racism in the OWS MovementLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3068357764679270692011-12-04T13:11:14.357-06:002011-12-04T13:11:14.357-06:00@Thun. I blog naked on the toilet. Like the visual...@Thun. I blog naked on the toilet. Like the visual?<br /><br />If you read the thread I am supportive of OWS. Are they going to change anything? Likely not. Doesn't mean that the moment wasn't significant.<br /><br />Did I say I would be out there gun in hand all hard bodied? Nope. I don't pretend. Nor am I a pretender. <br /><br />Are you hunkered down reading up on MOUT? Are you all set to go an engage in some asymmetrical warfare against the highly militarized local paramilitary types who have been apparently getting training from the Israelis and the Bahrain gov't?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33251415553788081952011-12-04T12:40:51.496-06:002011-12-04T12:40:51.496-06:00I'm trying to wrap my ahead around how anyone ...I'm trying to wrap my ahead around how anyone who blogs as a side-gig during their office hours, who is filly immersed in the fantasy world of comic books and other detritus, and has likely never fired a pistol in his life, finds the chutzpah to accuse anyone else of being too meek or passive or unwilling to confront the corporate state directly and violently.<br /><br />Chauncey I'd wager a stack you couldn't even successfully shoot a fair one with the uber-pussy Ta-Nehisi Coates.Thunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54530376029788292352011-12-03T23:09:37.635-06:002011-12-03T23:09:37.635-06:00when the big reset comes we are going to need engi...<i>when the big reset comes we are going to need engineers, carpenters, farmers, doctors, and yes teachers and philosophers.</i><br /><br />lol, what're you gonna do with the know-nothing, do-nothing, talking-loud, saying-nothing jiggaboo camp-followers who've cobbled together an identity for themselves in your carefully constructed field of "isms"?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-61811637695754244312011-12-03T21:11:59.644-06:002011-12-03T21:11:59.644-06:00CD,
Why waste any pity on a hypocrite like CNu wh...CD,<br /><br />Why waste any pity on a hypocrite like CNu who offers nothing but the usual angry spit at the usual suspect Black folks living in a racist America...It is interesting how CNu craves out a spot for 2nd and 3rd line black folks yet the coward that he is ignores the massive attacks upon black folks withing these bandwidths..<br /><br />CNu is a educational excutive whoe body of work has done nothing to advance the educational outcomes of Black kids across the nation...CNu gives worthless lectures and attenda impotent educational conferences where people go there to drink and make excuses to avoid the lectures and workshops of yahoo's like CNu.<br /><br />CNu deserves a kick in his silly wannabe uppity ass and I love slamming him in here...BTW I know the orgin of his sour notes of late it began with me dismissing his phony tale about his kids....lol,lol,lol<br /><br />BTW fuck the oncoming reset..Nothing going to hold me back nor my crew....lol,lol,lol,Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60620987166099533602011-12-02T19:37:40.111-06:002011-12-02T19:37:40.111-06:00@Subreal. I am sensitive, I fold easily.
And who...@Subreal. I am sensitive, I fold easily. <br /><br />And who have I ever attacked in the mass media? I wish I had that reach. I just throw little barbs every now and then. Nice, gentle, ones.<br /><br />I am in sympathy with your critique of the 2nd and 3rd line of the CR movement and Black Freedom Struggle. I think OWS is a good beginning; it is not an end; it has also been much fetishized. I also agree with you that black folks need to stop going around with a begging bowl crying "include me" "include me." <br /><br />I do disagree on some things: when the big reset comes we are going to need engineers, carpenters, farmers, doctors, and yes teachers and philosophers.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-38031040959532368082011-12-02T15:47:51.314-06:002011-12-02T15:47:51.314-06:00Love you like a play cousin cuz, but this really a...Love you like a play cousin cuz, but this really aint that complicated.<br /><br />I'm a fully vested supporter of Wikileaks-Anonymous-OWS.<br /><br />I'm an equally committed enemy of the 2nd and 3rd line inheritors of the civil rights movement - who are in their totality - self-dealing opportunistic parasites who've set black folks back 70 years and nothing of practical or programmatic value to offer to improve the lot of black folk in America.<br /><br />To whom much is given and all that...,<br /><br />Frankly, I find your efforts to attack, malign, and undermine OWS repugnant. I have no more qualms about going in on you or anyone else engaged in that type of counter-insurgent behavior - than I do about going in on knuckle-dragging conservatards.<br /><br />CDV, given that this is only strong rhetoric delivered straight to your doorstep, it's nothing at all like the incessant anonymous attacks you levy through the media at various and sundry targets. <br /><br />Surely you and your'n aren't inclined to fold under a stern, direct, and candid orthogonal gaze accompanied by a mere onslaught of strong rhetoric?<br /><br />A venomous turn would consist of a full court press against the afrodemic attack on OWS in particular - and an even more strenuous, concerted, and venomous public attack on afrodemia in general - in multiple popular venues. <br /><br />How much do you suppose a ruthless and persistent, afrotechnocratic onslaught against liberal arts and the soft "ismic" afrodemia and the ultrafeminized counter-insurgent punditry you all crank out - would be worth?<br /><br />That's actually an interesting notion come to think of it and given that the Koch Bros. public kneegrow du jour is rather conspicuously flaming out - it may be time for them to re-arm, retrench and recalculate their whole approach in this domain. <br /><br />Back to the drawing boards as it were, but this time armed with something infinitely more powerful and vicious than poor little Ron Christie and the bumbling fumbling fools showcased at Bookerrising could ever muster.<br /><br />Where formerly you only had to swat at Jesse Lee Peterson and Larry Elder, now you have something from the anarcho-libertarian wing with hard technical credentials just eating you alive from the inside out.<br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />Good thing I'm not wired that way and that's only a little wicked daydreaming out loud - eh?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20437509084921749502011-12-02T15:13:28.438-06:002011-12-02T15:13:28.438-06:00@CNu
No company in America would employ either on...@CNu<br /><br /><i>No company in America would employ either one of you to do what you do at your respective institutions on their dime.</i><br /><br />LOL! Do you think I'm an academic?<br /><br />Whether you think that or not (I'm not), these posts of yours reek of sour grapes.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63304276098584124222011-12-02T12:39:14.842-06:002011-12-02T12:39:14.842-06:00@Cnu. Ouch and damn. And I thought we at the very ...@Cnu. Ouch and damn. And I thought we at the very least were cyber friends. Me feelings be hurt. <br /><br />Question: I thought you were a bibliographer? Or work in some other capacity for the state government? So why aren't you out in a bunker somewhere? Is your suckling on the government tit a means to an end? Just curious.<br /><br />Again, why this venomous turn? What has happened?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26804152901704259882011-12-02T12:29:08.799-06:002011-12-02T12:29:08.799-06:00lol,
has nothing whatsoever to do with "coll...lol,<br /><br />has nothing whatsoever to do with "college boys" Oh Crap, rather, it has everything to do with pretenders not teaching anything of any practical value at colleges, and then having the audacity to impose that unemployable and essentially useless horseshit on folks actually trying to do something of practical value in the real world.<br /><br />No company in America would employ either one of you to do what you do at your respective institutions on their dime.<br /><br />Neither one of you represents or practices a discipline that can show a single iota of deliverable economic or political results for black folks in America. <br /><br />Yet there you sit, endlessly attempting to suck all the air out of the room from folks on the street taking hits to get something done, whether that something amounts to very much or not, they're making efforts while you kick back and take a paycheck for useless and insufferable whinery!!!<br /><br />Of course, neither one of you feels or has ever felt the slightest pang of guilt about being essentially useless to the folks to pretend to speak for and not conveying anything of any practical economic value to the young folks you speak to. <br /><br />Hustle hard jokers, get it while you can, because before too terribly long, there won't be any further use for your particular brands of useful idiocy. All your hard work will have paid off for the establishment elites who installed you in your uneconomic roles to sow division and discord and neutralize anything even remotely looking like violent oppositionality.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67057249284084656582011-12-02T10:39:44.855-06:002011-12-02T10:39:44.855-06:00Hey CDV, I think CNu just said you wear faggotty w...Hey CDV, I think CNu just said you wear faggotty white shoes.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42134713950856454302011-12-02T07:38:16.729-06:002011-12-02T07:38:16.729-06:00If they ain't ready to get violent, and deal w...<i>If they ain't ready to get violent, and deal with the national security state in the streets, then nothing gonna happen.</i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />folks whining for decades about "safe spaces online and in person in which to fully express ourselves" are THE LEAST CAPABLE persons on the face of the earth of DOING anything consequential.<br /><br />Why else you think your sorry asses have been permitted to occupy so much wasted space in the academy?!?!?!<br /><br />Useful idiots deployed as against any possible insurrection or insurgency, just feminized whining sacks complaining about lack of privilege and/or being heard.<br /><br />It just doesn't get anymore unselfconsciously ironic than that.<br /><br /><i>If you can use new media to put butts in the street then do it; anything less is all so much redirection of energy in the service of power.</i><br /><br />Your politics and what you profess represent the most extraordinarily overpaid "service to power" currently in existence. <br /><br />What you all do is EXACTLY WHY the academic establishment pays you to do it, and you have served your purpose magnificently.<br /><br />If your sorry asses can't acquire a voice in OWS, then you clearly don't deserve a voice in any sort of actionable resistance.<br /><br />The fact that all any of you want to do is project your feminized weakness onto OWS participants and OWS as an aggregate - as if they've made you so weak.<br /><br />Nobody made you weak.<br /><br />YOU ARE WEAK.<br /><br />Here's what comes next.<br /><br />When the bloated $400 Billion infotainment and middle-class certification business called higher ed begins to collapse and implode precipitously - as it must over the next 24 months - lets see if the ultra-feminized diversitocracy is maintained as a bulwark against any kind of authentically active folk on these campuses. Let's see if the talking head "public intellectuals" are retained to continue their ineffectual, harmless, and unthreatening whinery in the corporate media mainstream.<br /><br />Or, lets see, if - having served your purpose as useful idiot buffers against genuine activism on campuses and off - and potentially violent resistance on campuses and off - you're discarded as a bunch of no longer useful overhead - who can't be justified any longer to regents and others because nobody in their right mind in this collapsing economy would even think about taking a class in whinery, not even to satisfy liberal arts minimum requirements.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48918321350607944412011-12-02T07:28:22.406-06:002011-12-02T07:28:22.406-06:00Why must Holder default to caregiver and teacher, ...<i>Why must Holder default to caregiver and teacher, engaging in excuse-making for someone else's bad behavior and imperiousness? In all, this is a common dynamic. Black and brown folks are expected to "teach" White people about white privilege, and to lovingly work with them as they process their issues.</i><br /><br /><br /><b>No more Black Jeremiads!</b><br /><br />One of the major turnoffs for me very early on was the use of this idiotic "progressive stack", basically where the "voices" of we supposed "marginals" are "privileged" "over" those of white males, in order to teach them some kind of lesson or other.<br /><br />It's given a mention in the Guardian article.<br /><br /><i>Various ideas designed to redress the balance – such as "progressive stacks", where minority voices are given priority to speak, and "caucuses", where decisions deemed inappropriate to women, people of colour and the LGBT community are blocked – were not enough, they said.</i><br /><br />[eyeroll] and this comes as a surprise to them because...?<br /><br />People trying to pull that kind of "progressive stack" crap with me end up just like the lady in Thrasher's post and that idiot in the all-women's circle: told off, with feelings hurt and their lofty notions of so benificently having surrendered their precious unearned social privileges for a couple minutes, crushed.<br /><br />What a pile of rubbish.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6746641144860660642011-12-02T06:28:57.077-06:002011-12-02T06:28:57.077-06:00Speaking of "street theater," is anyone ...Speaking of "street theater," is anyone else weary of the Anonymous Guy Fawkes mask? I realize it has multiple references--V for Vendetta etc. But as a XX it feels pretty exclusive to me. Or maybe I'm just whining...Widgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51900004693666293712011-12-02T03:20:27.656-06:002011-12-02T03:20:27.656-06:00@Cnu. Again, I ask, why so grumpy? I can't do ...@Cnu. Again, I ask, why so grumpy? I can't do the Joker's voice. What is really going on? Tell me about the future! I want to learn so I can get ready. I generally agree with you, and learn much, but as of late there is a certain tone to your comments. <br /><br />An epiphany on some matters? Do you want to share?<br /><br />I think OWS is right in the sense of responding to a hot mess of limited resources, the end of this economic system, and the coming collapse. OWS is wrong in so far as the anti-democratic systems they are protesting don't give 2 cents about their sit-ins or the like.<br /><br />If they ain't ready to get violent, and deal with the national security state in the streets, then nothing gonna happen. Sorry for the cynicism. This is street theater and a safety valve function for the hegemon.<br /><br />Sad, and I was talking to someone the other day who works on these issues, we have a whole bunch of folks who think that playing with twitter, blogs, and writing online have anything at all to do with real politics and on the ground change.<br /><br />If you can use new media to put butts in the street then do it; anything less is all so much redirection of energy in the service of power.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42132287064779187752011-12-02T02:51:20.931-06:002011-12-02T02:51:20.931-06:00the group is then revealed to have the same challe...<i>the group is then revealed to have the same challenges of negotiating identity, race, and gender as society at large; defensiveness and denial by different stakeholders predictably follows; the show continues to a triumph, collapse, or incorporation by the powers that be.</i><br /><br />"Incorporation by the powers that be" analogous to the unsustainable diversitocracy in education, right? <br /><br />Where people who don't have an actual discipline to teach, have been patronized and permitted by academic elites to turn their feminized and pathetic whining into a demand that competent people "grasp the basic priors" of ????<br /><br />Are the whiners going to write any apps, fund any bail, do anything useful within the OWS besides demand that their whining be indulged? <br /><br />Doubtful...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34924160642232389432011-12-02T00:51:24.095-06:002011-12-02T00:51:24.095-06:00Sorry. I meant to sat, "I have pathologies o...Sorry. I meant to sat, "I have pathologies of my own"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21162253272789246242011-12-02T00:50:41.921-06:002011-12-02T00:50:41.921-06:00Word. I'm with you CD. As someone of mixed r...Word. I'm with you CD. As someone of mixed race who can usually pass for white U certainly have pathologies of my own. From experience, humoring them does not help. They must be crushed internally, which is usually only facilitated by first being called out and crushed externally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25621570786001232422011-12-01T22:04:04.455-06:002011-12-01T22:04:04.455-06:00Why do those with all of the toys continue to thro...Why do those with all of the toys continue to throw temper tantrums when someone else gets a little attention?<br /><br />That's what I'm saying. These guys act like spoiled, 3-year olds who want the same kind of toy you have. SMDH.Brotha Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757828851843699053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54503043293361337952011-12-01T16:20:21.678-06:002011-12-01T16:20:21.678-06:00I will soon write about my take on this after bein...I will soon write about my take on this after being a black male in OWS here in DC... Once during a general assembly I spoke and recieved quite a lot of finger tweaks( affirmation) when I stated I was not going to turn the cheek or take any ass kicking from any cops...I told them we must evolve pass the MLK mantra..<br /><br />Right after I gave my talk the white leaders especially a white woman tried to shout me down and remind me of senority which I said fuck that right here and now I am dominating this joint..<br /><br />In the weeks after my performance I got plenty of respect ( I even got a commentary published in their paper)and the white leaders were less arrogant and privledged..the foundation had been altered..<br /><br />To be continued....Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.com