tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post9019313387737809925..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Not All Slave Owners Were Rapine Beasts: Ron Paul's Musings on States' Rights and the "Tragedy" of the Civil WarLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78621587856900356092012-01-30T20:24:49.409-06:002012-01-30T20:24:49.409-06:00Ron Paul's distortion of the historical record...Ron Paul's distortion of the historical record is appalling. South Carolina declared its independence in December, 1860--three months before Lincoln's inauguration. If anyone wishes to read that declaration, he/she will clearly see that the declaration was all about SLAVERY. To suggest anything else is a flat-out lie.<br /><br />Mr. Paul seems to forget that South Carolina fired the first shots in the Civil War. The aggression didn't come from Lincoln and the North, as he suggests. Every schoolchild knows this, and it is amazing that he would try to paint the story differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33851968638018737782012-01-30T08:28:51.640-06:002012-01-30T08:28:51.640-06:00Chauncy,
Congressman Paul's nonchalance in hi...Chauncy,<br /><br />Congressman Paul's nonchalance in his racism and that quiet demeanor in couching his racism in "states' rights" arguments is one of the many reasons I get frustrated by supposed progressives & liberals supporting him.<br /><br />To me, Congressman Paul is a very dangerous man and no should be allowed into the Oval Office, not even as a guest. Your evaluation of him and many more like him only reinforces my view.<br /><br />Thank you for such a great analysis.Phoenix Justicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00666332075480974926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45117049456155256042012-01-29T22:48:48.428-06:002012-01-29T22:48:48.428-06:00I doubt if it is Thrasher he never posts under and...I doubt if it is Thrasher he never posts under and alias and he always dominates CNu..<br /><br />I think it is another blogger who still posts here..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91507767895855714682012-01-28T10:42:42.781-06:002012-01-28T10:42:42.781-06:00I'm late to this party and don't want to g...I'm late to this party and don't want to get in the middle of the general argument, but on one claim that slavery would have ended without the Civil War because of the demographic and political shifts giving more power to the non-slave North: isn't that precisely WHY the South seceded from the North after the election of Abraham Lincoln? Because the political forces HAD shifted? Didn't the war start with South Carolina firing shots at Fort Sumter? The counter-factual involves the North letting the [White slave-owning aristocracy] South "go free" to run their own affairs. It does NOT involve some sort of natural political shift within the US as a whole in which the Southern aristocracy concedes defeat to the democratic forces of the rest of the country.olderwomanhttp://sociologicalconfessions.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71508251014170975822012-01-28T10:27:42.066-06:002012-01-28T10:27:42.066-06:00That's just Thrasher scared and playing peek-a...That's just Thrasher scared and playing peek-a-boo lest CNu put those 14EEE's deep into his ass again...,johnny hortonhttp://amren.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51840967573042512202012-01-27T09:49:20.475-06:002012-01-27T09:49:20.475-06:00Damn, Anonymous. You certainly do get around. I se...Damn, Anonymous. You certainly do get around. I see you on almost every cite I visit. Do you specialize in low blows and unfounded statements?nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59279877012797483942012-01-26T18:21:36.535-06:002012-01-26T18:21:36.535-06:00CNu clearly you have some strong talking points de...CNu clearly you have some strong talking points despite your you fragile and needy ego there is no question you stepped up bigtime in here.<br /><br />The contract you mention in your comments sounds like another waste of money, time and more importantly an excercise divorced from what really can create measurable outcomes that will truly impact the targeted students you claim to care about but at least you have a tangible effort that cannot be dismissed.<br /><br />Your claims that you are not getting anything from your endeavor is bullshit clearly you are seeking recognition to that end I have no problem giving you an attaboy pat on the head..<br /><br />As a side note this was the best discourse I have observed on this site in quite some time as I noted earlier I wish Thrasher will return to juggle your cage but nevertheless I truly enjoyed the banter between you and the host ..It was hot and juicy..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3189799307697709922012-01-26T15:59:46.584-06:002012-01-26T15:59:46.584-06:00p.s., I don't get anything from this arrangeme...p.s., I don't get anything from this arrangement besides the satisfaction involved with positively and progressively moving a sizeable crowd.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28436985682839837632012-01-26T15:59:25.903-06:002012-01-26T15:59:25.903-06:00We have different standards on these things is all...<i>We have different standards on these things is all--you can valorize travelers who have not done a tenth of the work to actually understand the historical, political, or cultural origins of what they speak on with "authority." I do not. </i><br /><br />Cobb's parents were among the architects of black cultural nationalism - his bona fides are sound. Not to mention, outside of factual statements CDV, we're talking about a highly subjective realm of experience, interpretation, and valuation. <br /><br /><i>You give me way too much credit for being a cog in some type of grand scheme. I give cover to no one. I do my own thing.</i><br /><br />Go-along to get-along ain't that deep magne.<br /><br /><i>That I don't dance and carry on in the way that you like is what you dislike. </i><br /><br />That you do not and will not critique 2nd/3rd line perpetrators and parasites, has gotten you EXACTLY the same type of criticism levelled at Cobb because he staunchly refuses to criticize or evaluate the knuckle-dragging and intractably racist 20%. Both you and he as subjects of said critiques - and your respective fanbase fellow-travelers - have responded in stereotypically identical manners.<br /><br /><i>There is also, as I said before, despite your words a type of anti-intellectualism at work in much of your argumentation.</i> <br /><br />There's no anti-intellectualism at work, you've simply been measured.<br /><br /><i>You have access to so much information but choose to ignore it. Then you cherry pick and prop up raggedy historiography from folks like Ron Paul.</i><br /><br />Ron Paul is demonstrably exponentially less harmful, pernicious, and adversarial toward poor black folks than the responsible negroes who have pillaged and looted in their name for the past 40 years.<br /><br /><i>There is a reason that some would dismiss you as a technocrat.</i><br /><br />Yeah, these 14EEE's are hard to conceal, but you know what they say about big feet...,<br /><br /><i>I do not as I think you are bright but content to make great claims about your good works and to not actually do the work of analysis as opposed to creating a compendium. Lots of complaining on your part from the peanut gallery but not much writing or offering up ideas. Like I said I would love to see some original work from you.</i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />I have in front of me a freshly signed contract (30 minutes ago) that will put special access library cards into the hands of 17,000 children as well as delivery of books and materials from the catalogs of 38 library systems across the greater metropolitan sprawl into their local school buildings, and live online tutorial assistance with school work/homework from 2-11pm 7 days a week.<br /><br />This is the culmination of two years of painstaking personal effort, carefully and systematically engineering the reconciliation of a public library system and a public school district that have been acrimoniously divorced from one another now for 26 years. <br /><br />Who do you suppose backed this effort from inception to completeion? <br /><br />Cato conservative pillars of the establishment, or 2nd/3rd line constituent "services" responsible negroes?<br /><br /><i>That you don't want to work with others who share your goals if they do not support your mythos of super independent one man against an army super negroness that you have created online is unfortunate.</i><br /><br />I gladly work with a myriad of others who not only share my goals, but who are actively engaged in the brick and mortar work of making substantial and useful changes to how education is delivered and done. <br /><br />The sad truth of the matter is that there is more constructive and productive political, economic, and operational support to be gotten from the Koch Brothers and the John Birch Society conservatives in Kansas and Missouri for the real work that needs to be done to reform education nationwide - than there is from the entire national Jack and Jill Boule responsible negroe establishment, combined.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33993085837016455692012-01-26T15:55:55.765-06:002012-01-26T15:55:55.765-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70421393572094086512012-01-26T12:51:05.953-06:002012-01-26T12:51:05.953-06:00@Cnu. You make me sad. Defending Cobb a man who us...@Cnu. You make me sad. Defending Cobb a man who uses video games as the basis of understanding some grand historical vision of European society. And enables John Birch conservatism. I expected better from you. And now with Constructive Feedback? Damn.<br /><br />Good for you. I wish you well. We have different standards on these things is all--you can valorize travelers who have not done a tenth of the work to actually understand the historical, political, or cultural origins of what they speak on with "authority." I do not. <br /><br />You give me way too much credit for being a cog in some type of grand scheme. I give cover to no one. I do my own thing. That I don't dance and carry on in the way that you like is what you dislike. There is also, as I said before, despite your words a type of anti-intellectualism at work in much of your argumentation. You have access to so much information but choose to ignore it. Then you cherry pick and prop up raggedy historiography from folks like Ron Paul. <br /><br />There is a reason that some would dismiss you as a technocrat. I do not as I think you are bright but content to make great claims about your good works and to not actually do the work of analysis as opposed to creating a compendium. Lots of complaining on your part from the peanut gallery but not much writing or offering up ideas. Like I said I would love to see some original work from you.<br /><br />That you don't want to work with others who share your goals if they do not support your mythos of super independent one man against an army super negroness that you have created online is unfortunate.<br /><br />moving on.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3073389804318060912012-01-26T12:26:10.401-06:002012-01-26T12:26:10.401-06:00On one hand you complain that those 2nd 3rd line i...<i>On one hand you complain that those 2nd 3rd line inheritor types don't want to help you with your projects, and then you malign them and name call. You like straw men. That is okay. </i><br /><br />No. <br /><br />Once again, you've heard what you're predisposed to hear - rather than what I've been writing. <br /><br />My position with regard to the 2nd/3rd line inheritors is that they're corrupt, self-dealing, active impediments to improving the lot of "the least of these" in what remains of our geographically and demographically concentrated communities. It's taken me a long time to come around to this point of view, a point of view that I've seen spelled out nowhere more clearly and completely than by Bro. Feed <a href="http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">who has been calling this out</a> like Cassandra now for years. <br /><br />I'm actually very relieved to discover that the brother is not off-base wrt his energetic, comprehensive, and continuous assessment - and that what has instead happened - is that he has been marginalized due to his hypergraphic and antagonistic style. <br /><br />I understand why he has been so excited. <br /><br />In retrospect, I must now confess to understanding what Bro. Steve Cokely was calling out about a certain class of black folks going waaaaay back in the day. <br /><br />I now sincerely believe that the 2nd/3rd line "establishment" is - by its parasitic and dependent nature - intrinsically inimical to the interests of po black folk. Whether through incompetence or outright malfeasance, in my estimation, the former becomes indistiniguishable from the latter when it is repeated often enough and on a large enough scale.<br /><br />What surprises me a little bit about you CDV - is that in your writings and your political points of view - you seem far less inclined to an objective search for historical, political, and operational truth, and far more predisposed to providing mimetic cover for certain folks, their values, their legacy, and their continuing activities. <br /><br />But should I really be surprised when after all, your blog is called Respectable Negros?<br /><br /><i>You like him so much, but in rejecting even doing basic research to which you have easy access you remind me of our friend Cobb.</i><br /><br />But that's just the point, he HAS done extensive research - very different and distinct from your own - as have I.<br /><br />On the basis of the research he has done, Cobb has drawn distinctly different narrative, ideological, and political conclusions from your own. <br /><br />Cobb's conclusions are markedly different from my own. <br /><br />Frankly, Cobb is a native Angelino who for easily discernable reasons feels no communitarian or partisan allegiance to po black folks. His bottomline is simple, if you don't like a situation, either move away from it or be prepared to go to war to remedy it. Anything less than that is foolish conversation.<br /><br />Considerede on a comparative basis, you react to questioning and/or challenge with far less circumspection and equanimity than does Cobb or even for that matter, most run-of-the-mill black conservatives I've encountered online. <br /><br /><i>Go save the world Cnu, without anyone else's help apparently. That is on you.</i><br /><br />In all humility - you will never encounter a more effective and more stridently black partisan doer than me. <br /><br />For all practical purposes, you could call it my "religion".<br /><br />Here-to-date, I have found vastly more concrete support for genuine education reform from both the most elite and the most conservative quarters in my metropolitan community. They're essentially desperate to see something work. Based on what I've experienced in my iteractions with interested parties here-to-date - I suspect that the most enthusiastic political and material supporters of genuine public education reform will emanate from the most strenuously conservative political and ideological quarters.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45779046429004397402012-01-26T11:59:43.132-06:002012-01-26T11:59:43.132-06:00Your analysis is such a gift to me -- I just had t...Your analysis is such a gift to me -- I just had to let you know.<br /><br />I lack your intellect -- I can't imagine I would ever be able to dig down and unpack everything implied in Ron Paul's positions on the Civil War, Civil Rights, and the way his positions relate to his version of "libertarianism." But it has been maddening to deal with my emotional response to this man and his political/social positions -- a response of <i>deep revulsion</i> and anger (though I realize much of that anger is due to the amount of approval this man draws from noted intellectuals on the Left) that is so overwhelming I'm left incapable of focusing my attention on analyzing it.<br /><br />My gratitude to you is sincere and deep.Beulahmohttps://twitter.com/#!/Beulahmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40603764599088470742012-01-26T10:08:55.746-06:002012-01-26T10:08:55.746-06:00@Cnu.
I say this we affection. You are an odd fel...@Cnu.<br /><br />I say this we affection. You are an odd fellow (you likely feel that way about me too). On one hand you complain that those 2nd 3rd line inheritor types don't want to help you with your projects, and then you malign them and name call. You like straw men. That is okay. <br /><br />On libertarianism and Reconstruction I will let others hash that one out. My feelings about that ideology are clear. If you want to talk about that period you have to start with Foner, Franklin, and DuBois and go from there. <br /><br />You like him so much, but in rejecting even doing basic research to which you have easy access you remind me of our friend Cobb. <br /><br />Moving forward. Go save the world Cnu, without anyone else's help apparently. That is on you.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10320025731152559822012-01-26T05:30:20.017-06:002012-01-26T05:30:20.017-06:00now about those unsolicited proffers..,
If by yo...now about those unsolicited proffers.., <br /><br /><i>If by your own admission this is a hobby, engage on those terms, but not in such a way as to lecture folks--me and most certainly many others--who know more about these matters than you do. </i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />The primacy of your subjective access to your own qualia is beyond dispute. Whether those racism chasing feelings of yours map to anything objectively real, however, is very much open to casual public inspection. No need for access to the firewalled stacks of academic mummery.<br /><br /><i>I respect your trade, all I ask is that you respect mine. You would not look kindly on someone demagoguing you as a mere technician and button pusher, but you routinely dismiss people with years of training and study as useless academics. And again, you wonder why the folks you want to reach out to in working on STEM programs are reluctant to help you. </i><br /><br />I think on this very thread it's been clearly demonstrated that your specific race-man biases render you effectively incapable of robust analysis - hell - you so busy putting words and motivations into an interlocutors mouth that you're incapable of even imagining alternative points of view - pretty much the sine qua non of solipsist one-dimensionality.<br /><br />As for the rest, "ism" studies are mind-killers designed specifically for that purpose - I cannot respect them.<br /><br />The academy is a bloated, pompous, de-evolutionary pile in desperate need of radical revision. Tenure and the slimy politics that that entails, along with endowment, have robbed higher-ed of its intellectual vigor and evolutionary potential. <br /><br />In my field, on average - and in the very best schools - the academy tends to be about 5 years behind the curve of current state best practices - rendering what they teach students for all purposes useless in the real world.<br /><br />The institutional interests you represent are in my estimation plainly degenerate. So rest assured, I'm not reaching out to you or anybody else within the status quo institutions for a dayyum thing. If I'm able to execute the plan I've orchestrated, I don't intend anything less than burning most of you down and putting you out on the streets. <br /><br />500% tuition inflation and nothing to show for it!<br /><br />ta loco?!?!<br /><br /><i>For example, why would I put you in contact with folks who have millions in grant monies to work on these issues (which I could have easily done) if you have no respect for their trade craft? Why would I take time to help you develop a grant proposal or consult on an application to a nonprofit or the feds, if you think so little of those whose mission is not exactly the same as yours? </i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />Responsible negroe puh-leeze....,<br /><br />So I could be reduced to begging and looking to the big house for a hand up?<br /><br />All-a-dat what you said, these are the same folks who have had forty years to get their shit together and they've done nothing but create a cluster fuck of historical proportions. <br /><br /><i>{The same type of folk who comprise the Broad Academy and its graduate economic hitmen whose only task, purpose, and mission in life is to hijack the dwindling property tax resource bases of urban public school systems and dole these monies out to selected crony vendors in the education vertical. Not only are they incompetent, they're plainly malfeasant and engaged in overt croney capitalism against the most vulnerable.}</i><br /><br />Uh..., no thanks. <br /><br />p.s. - I've authored successful grant proposals on my own for the benefit of the institutions for which I've volunteered. It's not rocket science.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62251488181070657402012-01-26T05:01:49.106-06:002012-01-26T05:01:49.106-06:00I read your claims about technology to be a fair r...<i>I read your claims about technology to be a fair reference to...,</i><br /><br />yeah.., that one-dimensional thing is a pretty serious handicap dood - a veritable mind-killer that can have you imagining, feeling, and believing ENTIRELY WRONG things about the targets of your tirades - and - about your casual interlocutors.<br /><br />Jim Powell's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Emancipations-West-Abolished-Slavery/dp/0230605923" rel="nofollow">Greatest Emancipations</a> is pretty much the libertarian go-to reference on this subject. Its primary value - imo - is its illumination of the consequences of Reconstruction. It can also directly and easily be seen as the backdrop to Paul's commentary on this issue, a commentary to which you have in typical fashion absurdly overreacted.<br /><br />Good articles about the book at <a href="http://hnn.us/articles/46037.html" rel="nofollow">HNN</a> and <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo146.html" rel="nofollow">Lew Rockwell</a><br /><br />Summing up; <i>I believe the experience of emancipation elsewhere in the Western Hemisphere suggests that without the U.S. Civil War, emancipation might have come a couple decades later than it did, but without the bigger backlash caused by the war, blacks would have gained their civil rights decades earlier than they did, long before 1960.<br /><br />What we can say with a great deal of confidence is that the use of force and violence tends to backfire, and this happened with the U.S. Civil War. Many of those who supported the Civil War thought it might be a short cut for blacks to gain their civil rights, but the Civil War turned out to be the long way around.<br /><br />As I hope I’ve shown, the alternative to the Civil War wasn’t to do nothing and wait for Southern slaveholders to decide when, if ever, they might emancipate their slaves. The alternative was to recognize that slavery was a gigantic beast, and no single strategy was likely to bring it down, so multiple strategies, including buying off slaveholders, had to be pursued – patiently, persistently, relentlessly, as Great Britain’s Royal Navy went after slave traders for six decades. </i>CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47752463063325003112012-01-25T21:16:26.905-06:002012-01-25T21:16:26.905-06:00@Cnu. I read your claims about technology to be a ...@Cnu. I read your claims about technology to be a fair reference to the surprise that came with the cotton gin. An obvious example.<br /><br />2. The idea that slavery would have exhausted itself is not settled in the historiography. Do check the references I provided. <br /><br />3. As a practical matter I would not hold my breath and delay "black freedom" for six months never mind decades for some hopes about demography to play out. And as we saw, assuming the projections held, you would still have millions of blacks in bondage. The South was not, under any circumstance, going to give up the number one capital good in the country.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49410327266564746472012-01-25T19:32:51.853-06:002012-01-25T19:32:51.853-06:00Let's go with the factuals first, then onto th...Let's go with the factuals first, then onto the unsolicited proffers.<br /><br />Where in this whole and entire thread have I typed the words "cotton gin"?<br /><br />What I wrote was <i>The industrial revolution and replacement of comparatively inefficient human labor power with machinic power first from coal and then shortly thereafter from oil.</i><br /><br />Here are the contextualizing political facts CDV - Northern populations were growing much more quickly than Southern populations, making it increasingly difficult for the South to influence the national government. <br /><br />By the time of the 1860 election, the heavily agricultural southern states as a group had fewer Electoral College votes than the rapidly industrializing northern states. <br /><br />Lincoln was able to win the 1860 Presidential election without even being on the ballot in ten Southern states. <br /><br />This political calculus provided a very real basis for Southerners' worry about the relative political decline of their region due to the North growing much faster in terms of population and industrial output.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46850300187027464292012-01-25T16:39:14.166-06:002012-01-25T16:39:14.166-06:00The truth is slavery has been around forever in al...The truth is slavery has been around forever in all parts of the world. Some people are lazy and have a sense of entitlement. Its ok to be angry and it should make people angry. If there was no greed, racism, sexism, sadism, violence, or selfishness this world would be pretty closeto heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6033483983844811482012-01-25T16:30:19.993-06:002012-01-25T16:30:19.993-06:00@Cnu "lol, I'm in front of Interwebbed di...@Cnu "lol, I'm in front of Interwebbed displays most hours of the day and night monitoring and querying logs, tweeking settings, and otherwise minding a vast herd of servers, workstations, and non-line-of-sight end-points. textual banter is a hobby enthusiasm, an avocational diversion, not a way of life. <br /><br />My original work focuses on the economics of shared data services as a means of underwriting the costs of virtual learning - I am literally bound and determined to revolutionize STEM education and bring an end to 19th century style teaching, learning, and measurement. Has nothing whatsoever to do with this stuff, (aside from the fact that the good Bro. Feed has begun picking up on it as part of his nascent solutions formulation)"<br /><br />Why don't you write something about that given it is your terrain of expertise? If by your own admission this is a hobby, engage on those terms, but not in such a way as to lecture folks--me and most certainly many others--who know more about these matters than you do. <br /><br />I respect your trade, all I ask is that you respect mine. You would not look kindly on someone demagoguing you as a mere technician and button pusher, but you routinely dismiss people with years of training and study as useless academics. And again, you wonder why the folks you want to reach out to in working on STEM programs are reluctant to help you. <br /><br />For example, why would I put you in contact with folks who have millions in grant monies to work on these issues (which I could have easily done) if you have no respect for their trade craft? Why would I take time to help you develop a grant proposal or consult on an application to a nonprofit or the feds, if you think so little of those whose mission is not exactly the same as yours? <br /><br />On research re: slavery start with this easy piece and then skip around:<br /><br />http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/of-course-the-civil-war-was-about-slavery-26265/<br /><br />Of course read Morgan's, Macpherson, Foner, and Berlin's foundational work.<br /><br />You can also find their lectures online if that is your preferred venue.<br /><br />Here is a basic start on Eli Whitney and the cotton gin. You want to support Paul's piss poor readings of history by trusting his interpretations, but have not done basic work. Thus, your claims on these matters are very weak.<br /><br />http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/cotton-gin-patent/<br /><br />Finally, you have access to databases at work, look up "industrial slavery" in the South or "compensated manumission" Not hard. Ta Coates has two good pieces with some solid links on the subject, check them out.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31685730484723074122012-01-25T15:55:19.870-06:002012-01-25T15:55:19.870-06:00I offered a claim that Ron Paul's arguments an...<i>I offered a claim that Ron Paul's arguments and misreadings of history enable a polite form of white racism in the present. You can accept or reject the argument.</i><br /><br />I rejected it in my very first comment and presented further arguments in support of Paul's contentions about the civil war.<br /><br /><i>You still have not rebutted, corrected, or intervened in my suggestion that you misread the history surrounding slavery.</i><br /><br />Pot meet kettle..., other than claiming that Paul is racist and I'm a one-dimensional supporter of Paul, I hardly think you've rebutted or corrected my alternative reading of the history surrounding the end of slavery.<br /><br /><i>You are quite a binary thinker at times.</i><br /><br />You are a binary thinker at all times (racism-chasing) and have here-to-date demonstrated extremely heavy reliance upon appeals to obscure scholarly authority - specific examples of which you never subsequently manage to produce.<br /><br /><i>I have offered many times, please write up something and circulate it. You have your own site, instead of offering grand claims and theories in the comment section, why don't you do some original work and circulate it for public consumption? </i><br /><br />lol, I'm in front of Interwebbed displays most hours of the day and night monitoring and querying logs, tweeking settings, and otherwise minding a vast herd of servers, workstations, and non-line-of-sight end-points. textual banter is a hobby enthusiasm, an avocational diversion, not a way of life. <br /><br />My original work focuses on the economics of shared data services as a means of underwriting the costs of virtual learning - I am literally bound and determined to revolutionize STEM education and bring an end to 19th century style teaching, learning, and measurement. Has nothing whatsoever to do with this stuff, (aside from the fact that the good Bro. Feed has begun picking up on it as part of his nascent solutions formulation)CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65384587504707837582012-01-25T15:25:52.684-06:002012-01-25T15:25:52.684-06:00I love the banter YET I wish Thrasher will return ...I love the banter YET I wish Thrasher will return he was the only one that could kick CNU's ass and get him off his game<br /><br />Keep it up both of ya..This is hot and thrillingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20328699609488251452012-01-25T15:21:52.745-06:002012-01-25T15:21:52.745-06:00@Cnu. Yawn. I offered a claim that Ron Paul's ...@Cnu. Yawn. I offered a claim that Ron Paul's arguments and misreadings of history enable a polite form of white racism in the present. You can accept or reject the argument. <br /><br />You still have not rebutted, corrected, or intervened in my suggestion that you misread the history surrounding slavery.<br /><br />You are quite a binary thinker at times. You do get that one can accept your critique--a bit of an overreach by the way--that Obama is an "authoritarian" and that other arguments are still valid?<br /><br />The irony there is that your binary worldview if actually quite common to the authoritarian political personality, a type of politics which you are fixated on. <br /><br />I have offered many times, please write up something and circulate it. You have your own site, instead of offering grand claims and theories in the comment section, why don't you do some original work and circulate it for public consumption? <br /><br />Reposting citations is cool, but only gets you so far: it is like being a good cover band, pays well, is fun, but you won't get much respect in the long term.<br /><br />You have lots to offer, put it out there.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70324721139276682642012-01-25T14:23:14.949-06:002012-01-25T14:23:14.949-06:00You share information and do not offer much analys...<i>You share information and do not offer much analysis. </i><br /><br />I waded through dayyum near 1500 words of yours exhorting us to imagine that Ron Paul is a white supremacist, exhorting us to imagine the horrors of slavery 150 years ago, and exhorting us to reject libertarianism because of its failings on matters of race and justice - but I completely missed the "analysis" you purport to offer?<br /><br />Aside from your exhortations to feel, imagine, and believe, where again was the scholarly analysis you have twice now warranted and represented as being beyond my knowledge, ability, and grasp?<br /><br />Cause if it's past me, then that means it's totally beyond the capacity of 99.9999997% of the literate American populace.<br /><br />Unless of course, what I'm missing is not factual or analytical data, "priors" as it were - but instead - I'm lacking the shared faith-based consensus that would make your "feel, imagine, and believe" altar call effective as a political suggestion?<br /><br />From what I can gather thus far, only two indisputable facts have thus far been introduced into the discussion; <br /><br /><i>FACT: We do not now own slaves or seek to own slaves, or live in a nation where slavery is allowed under law. <br /><br />FACT: We do live in a corporatist, authoritarian state where corporations have been given personhood under this president whose State of Exception confers upon the executive the perogative of indefinite detention, suspension of habeus corpus, and suspension of posse comitatus. </i><br /><br />But I could be biased and therefore mistaken, so help me out if there are some hard facts I've missed wrt your contention that the congressman is first and foremost a white supremacist - and that me and mine are at greater risk of legal or bodily harm via his libertarian politics than we are from the Hon.Bro.Preznit's current American State of Exception?<br /><br /><i>As we said before, you want allies to work with you on projects but you approach people with such a bilious tone at times. Who would want to collaborate?</i><br /><br />No, no, no, no, no..., responsible negroes have nothing whatsoever to offer me besides casual amusement and sharpening of my rhetorical pinata swing.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4946257775726841772012-01-25T13:50:58.887-06:002012-01-25T13:50:58.887-06:00@Cnu. You are in rare form today. What is going on...@Cnu. You are in rare form today. What is going on? Intestinal upset? Y<br /><br />ou are doing lots of projecting. I can defend and source my claims. As demonstrated here, on this matter, you cannot. That is fine. Feel free to recycle Ron Paul's mess if you like. But then, you have to own it.<br /><br />We can't know everything. But, part of wisdom is knowing when your reach and grasp are not the same--clearly on matters of U.S. history you are outside of your weight class. Sorry. The cursory knowledge of these matters you have gleamed from cataloging articles and such is not a substitute for direct engagement with the texts. <br /><br />Are things slow over at Cobbers so I am the beneficiary of your darts? <br /><br />Entertaining. Good sport. <br /><br />As I have said many times, you have your own project, I have mine. That is fine. You share information and do not offer much analysis. That is fine and needed. I learn a good deal from the information you share. You also seem to want to do good works to uplift the poor left behind types of the negro race. Good stuff too. However, you seem to be fixated on your approach as the only viable one. It doesn't work that way, sorry.<br /><br />As we said before, you want allies to work with you on projects but you approach people with such a bilious tone at times. Who would want to collaborate?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.com