tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post9015329690124485597..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Professional Black Conservative Race Hustling Group "Project 21" Condemns Chauncey DeVega Again...Sigh Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger173125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15273047486449406782012-09-19T07:58:12.338-05:002012-09-19T07:58:12.338-05:00Good stuff, CNu. I gotta check it out.Good stuff, CNu. I gotta check it out.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34996246966187809722012-09-18T15:34:21.490-05:002012-09-18T15:34:21.490-05:00Conscious Language II - sorry it didn't come u...<a href="http://subrealism.blogspot.com/search?q=conscious+language+II" rel="nofollow">Conscious Language II</a> - sorry it didn't come up in the first search I linked. CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55923390598363171062012-09-18T14:32:06.067-05:002012-09-18T14:32:06.067-05:00I would encourage you to look at it like this, our...I would encourage you to look at it like this, our experience of consciousness consists for the most part of a fairly arbitrary flow of pictures and words, more of the latter than the former. <br /><br />If we consider the words to be our "programming" and our programming determinative of our consciousness, then it is safe to say that we know almost nothing about pharaonic consciousness and by extension, nothing about pharaonic civilization, because that AE Wallace Budge set of 19th century translations is a straight up joke.<br /><br />So it is a great - possibly the greatest human puzzle and mystery - all tantalizingly and conspicuously hidden in plain sight. <br /><br />Schwaller's primary value lies in the alternative perspective he affords to the interpretation of the mystery, the simple fact of giving a different way of looking at the constructs, their signal qualities, and the underlying mode of consciousness (or difference in the underlying mode) required to account for all of that. <br /><br />The longevity of this civilization, and its consistency over such an enormous span of "historical" time also gives us to know that we're looking at something distinctively and qualitatively different from contemporary human civilization. <br /><br />While you know that I eschew the ancient astronaut theory, I am a firm believer in strata of human consciousness and the fact that there have long been "secret people" continuously active amongst these king-having killer-ape humanzees.<br /><br />Co-sign the cause of the Sahara, the destruction of Indus Valley civilization, and much else which befell the humanzees during the the "Hyborian" era...., <br /><br />CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-14928311071213618012012-09-18T13:30:39.822-05:002012-09-18T13:30:39.822-05:00Thanks. I *have* to check him out. Meanwhile...
&...Thanks. I *have* to check him out. Meanwhile...<br /><br />"Personally, I don't believe that Egypt was a purely African phenomenon, rather, I believe it was an evolutionary phenomenon which became stably situated for millenia in the Nile Valley." <br /><br />Somethin was going on. Pyramids built to a degree of engineering perfection we in 21st C have yet to achieve. But what caught while looking at the art of the once green Sahara; there are some really strange images, whether you subscribe to the ancient astronaut theory or not. Either way you are left with these enigmatic representations of what life was like in this once lush environment. However you explain them, the fact of their existence indicate that there were some extraordinary activity taking place in this area, prior to the rise of Egypt. I suggest that this was the previous center of the evolutionary phenomenon you talk about. I suspect that this was the cradle of the protoEgyptian culture. And I suspect that reason it became a dessert through total depletion of its resources by the population or some manmade catastrophe. Well, it doesn't always have to be man made. God is good about shaking up things by throwing asteroids at us. But I suspect the Sahara dessert was a manmade catastrophe and people spread out to the east and south to escape dessertfication.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-61092898656559745562012-09-18T12:15:00.086-05:002012-09-18T12:15:00.086-05:00You should check him out. Over a decade ago, when ...You should check him out. Over a decade ago, when my studies of alchemy were at their most intense, I wrote an essay on this topic titled <a href="http://subrealism.blogspot.com/search?q=schwaller" rel="nofollow">Conscious Language</a> (which I republished at the blog) - it wasn't until a number of years later that I finally and conclusively figured out what was up with alchemy - but this was a bump on the road in my study of the subject, precipitated in largest measure by my study of de Lubicz. <br /><br />Personally, I don't believe that Egypt was a purely African phenomenon, rather, I believe it was an evolutionary phenomenon which became stably situated for millenia in the Nile Valley.<br /><br />Much as a similar evolutionary phenomenon would attempt to take hold in Andalusia in the 7th-10th centuries AD, only to be unseated and broken up into fragments by the franko-catholic abomination.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36087413664718431372012-09-18T10:38:56.459-05:002012-09-18T10:38:56.459-05:00No, I had never heard of him. Very interesting tho...No, I had never heard of him. Very interesting though. Speaking from the perspective of a art historian, the achievements do border on the miraculous. I'm not sure what's meant by the term pharaonic "theocracy" but if Egypt don't qualify as cultural exceptionalism I don't know what does. My take is that Egypt was a culmination of what had been going on in the rest of Africa, particularly in the green Sahara; probably by way of Nubia. Egypt reigned continuously for thousands of years in the northeast corner. During this very long period other empires rose and fell on the subcontinent until the Middle Ages. These, separated by enormous distances from Egypt, may or may not have been offshoots of Egyptian culture. But, like I say, by the time of the slave trade, that era was over. Benin remained but it was a shadow of earlier kingdoms. What followed in the wake of the decline of centralized power in the subcontinent was tribalism.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43809085886155071542012-09-18T08:27:40.307-05:002012-09-18T08:27:40.307-05:00Are you familiar with de Lubicz conception of the ...Are you familiar with de Lubicz conception of the pharaonic "theocracy" and the miraculous (utopian) level of civilization upon which that notion was founded?<br /><br />de Lubicz books are difficult - to say the least. That said, few things tickle me more than hearing an afro-trekkie struggle with and attempt to pronounce a proto-nazi's conception of an ancient civilization whose artifacts are as poorly understood as pharaonic egypt's are..., however, Schwaller's concept of the "symbolique" is profoundly appealing.<br /><br />I'm fairly certain most afro-trekkies don't have a particularly strong grasp of Schwallerian "symbolique" which is why you hear/read them blustering on about KMT as if that shit was saying something...,<br /><br />If they did grasp what Schwaller was on about, you'd see them clamoring for cultures of competence which would serve as the indispensible building block for the yet much higher level of culture/civilization which Schwaller proposed prevailed in the Nile valley for millenia.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71430627618361235712012-09-18T08:14:04.684-05:002012-09-18T08:14:04.684-05:00"were these kingdoms "pharaonic theocrac..."were these kingdoms "pharaonic theocracies" a la schwaller de lubicz, or, simply chieftain-taxing psychopathocracies a la Alphonse Capone?"<br /><br />I don't know. I didn't get very far into this study. I was technically an Africanist in grad school but my focus was elsewhere (African American art). But anyway, my working hypothesis was that these putative kingdoms had to have a high level of governmental sophistication. Centralized power over vast expanses of territory. They had enough power to hold together for hundreds of years, and presumably the military strength to defend against enemies. Were they good or bad? Well, they were empires. Nuff said. The Nubians, of course, were pharaonic. Or, rather, protopharaonic. <br />nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73137681131610057292012-09-18T07:48:19.315-05:002012-09-18T07:48:19.315-05:00Devil's always in the details, specifically th...Devil's always in the details, specifically the detail of what happens after the plummet over Olduvai gorge when we come eyeball to eyeball with the fact that all the arable land in the U.S. is incapable of supporting more than 100 million people absent significant fossil-fuel inputs, inclusive of nitrogen fertilizers and petroleum-based insecticides.<br /><br />The political and cultural "how-to" of getting from here to there is what will be the death of us all, particularly as our best trained, best educated and most capable remain relegated to the back seat while breath and britches hucksters shill status quo platitudes about an unattainable by-and-by...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46561223032747070182012-09-18T06:28:43.478-05:002012-09-18T06:28:43.478-05:00I can imagine an interesting, slightly fraught Uto...I can imagine an interesting, slightly fraught Utopia based on MB's and Nomad's and CnU's combined visions/methods/ skill-sets (with CdV running the post-apocalypse DMV... which will be all about pedal-or-wind-powered vehicles)... I can't see any single vision working on its own. Perhaps this is just the inevitable fractious chaos before the planning stage...A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65650729109195387022012-09-18T06:23:48.540-05:002012-09-18T06:23:48.540-05:00@nomad:
Seek out Ellison's short story "...@nomad:<br /><br />Seek out Ellison's short story "Catman" (I think it's in the collection "Approaching Oblivion"); also the "Dangerous Visions" anthologies for a terrific collection of "New Wave" (really: postmodernism before the movement took off in "literary fiction"). Also HE's "Deathbird Stories"<br /><br />A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40552130375902564852012-09-18T05:51:12.903-05:002012-09-18T05:51:12.903-05:00were these kingdoms "pharaonic theocracies&qu...were these kingdoms "pharaonic theocracies" a la schwaller de lubicz, or, simply chieftain-taxing psychopathocracies a la Alphonse Capone?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54915713446967155692012-09-17T21:01:14.604-05:002012-09-17T21:01:14.604-05:00Who said anything about exceptionalism? I *said* s...Who said anything about exceptionalism? I *said* some men in ancient Africa created kingdoms. nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57224311666052451302012-09-17T20:57:44.756-05:002012-09-17T20:57:44.756-05:00@ CD
"@nomad. chiefs or chieftains? kings or...@ CD<br /><br />"@nomad. chiefs or chieftains? kings or queens? same difference."<br /><br />Ah, yes. It's just semantics isn't it? I'm using the terms in special sense here. I suggested earlier that a chieftain was equivalent to a gang leader. That's basically what tribes are, glorified gangs; people held together as a group through ritual and clan kinship. The chieftain, in the sense that I'm using the word, reflects that type of ancestral authority. Though tribes can be large, their rituals rigidly enforced, the scope of tribal chieftain power is limited, especially in terms of the amount of land controlled. Kingdoms on the other hand cover vast amounts of territory and have a centralized authority. So those are the kings and queens I'm talking about. And as I said, the only thing that remotely resembled the kingdoms that existed before, Mali, Ghana and such, at the time of the slave trade was Benin. Well, maybe Yoruba, but at any rate these new age African kingdoms had declined in power, shadows of that earlier era. If a king doesn't have a kingdom, i.e., vast amounts of land control, he's a king in name only. Or king of something with no political power. Like King of Rock & Roll, or the King of Wrestling. Or the king of this or that town. Or the leader of this or that gang. Saying there is no difference between the two orders of kings is like saying there is no difference in the status of the president of the United States and the president of the PTA. Sure they're both "presidents", but come on. It's hardly the same thing. The difference between the two kinds of kings I'm talking about is clear. Call the two what you will, "old era African kings" and "new era African kings" maybe. Since that terminology can be confusing I simply say "kings" when referring to the former and "chieftains" the latter.<br /><br />"there is a problem with your attempts to massage african complicity in the transatlantic slave trade."<br /><br />I don't massage anyone's complicity in that abomination, not even African Americans.<br /><br />"why the investment in painting some model of sub-saharan african exceptionalism when barbarism, exploitation, cruelty, and violence are pretty damn universal traits...regardless of melanin count?"<br /><br />Who said anything about exceptionalism? I some men in ancient Africa created kingdoms. Why would anybody expect any different to happen? I mean, there is nothing about Africans, nothing inherent that would prohibit such a thing from happening, is there. Far from being exceptional, I would say the existence of these kingdoms is very ceptional. Very ceptional indeed.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51176150325715206452012-09-17T20:45:31.401-05:002012-09-17T20:45:31.401-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27994528327586617652012-09-17T18:35:44.600-05:002012-09-17T18:35:44.600-05:00Thanks. I have got to pay more attention to sci-fi...Thanks. I have got to pay more attention to sci-fi literature (as opposed to the movies). Ellison seems a good place to start. I'll be looking for "New Wave". "Post-racial", you say? Sounds interesting.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-86383100682502433512012-09-17T15:57:31.225-05:002012-09-17T15:57:31.225-05:00Movie not bad, book much better, but other Ellison...Movie not bad, book much better, but other Ellison works (the "New Wave" phase) much better... and with interesting swerves through the "post-racial" (via post-human). Don't think you can underestimate the importance of Sci Fi to certain segments of the oppressed ...!<br />A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44256653811904849682012-09-17T14:43:50.966-05:002012-09-17T14:43:50.966-05:00Harlan Ellison,eh? I knew it was based on a book. ...Harlan Ellison,eh? I knew it was based on a book. Didn't know who the author was. Going by the movie he must be a great writer. It's a movie I've only seen once but it made a great impression.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-82166934182368981562012-09-17T14:21:50.081-05:002012-09-17T14:21:50.081-05:00@Nomad:
"Ever see the movie A Boy and His Do...@Nomad:<br /><br />"Ever see the movie A Boy and His Dog?" <br /><br />Sorry to go "off piste" here (though, this whole thread is already there, I guess) but if you're a Harlan Ellison fan... we should import a whole Ellison-centric chat ...<br /><br />A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32761675984244127262012-09-17T14:12:21.208-05:002012-09-17T14:12:21.208-05:00Did you see today's news on the Alcubierre dri...Did you see today's news on the Alcubierre drive?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45755714714071482982012-09-17T13:14:19.063-05:002012-09-17T13:14:19.063-05:00I know. I mean the gummint knows whats coming and ...I know. I mean the gummint knows whats coming and they ain't buildin them underground bunkers for nothing. Ever see the movie A Boy and His Dog? The scenario will probably be something like that. So between hunting forays watch out for those Screamers.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1554520365612670202012-09-17T09:18:41.318-05:002012-09-17T09:18:41.318-05:00Nah..., during the peak of the last so-called dark...Nah..., during the peak of the last so-called dark age, after the fall of Rome, there were pockets of high-civilization. <br /><br />This whole thing is not going to go away, it's just that the no longer profitable and therefore unsustainable mass of the thing is going to be dissolved. <br /><br />You should familiarize yourself with the musings of the hypertiger.<br /><br />http://hyptertiger.blogspot.comCNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30054274701531426412012-09-17T07:35:57.357-05:002012-09-17T07:35:57.357-05:00"CNu ain't want no part of a tribe."..."CNu ain't want no part of a tribe."<br />In the words of the great sage of strut, "You cain't always get what you want." When technology vanishes and yo provisions run out and you running round killing squirrels with bow and arrow, you will be a tribe. nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52832377821958085732012-09-16T22:05:26.494-05:002012-09-16T22:05:26.494-05:00The difference here is a movement that resonates w...<i>The difference here is a movement that resonates with thousands of people versus the ideas of an individual which are incarcerated by arrogance and condescending opinions of others whom he often views as obstacles to his progress, e.g. 2nd/3rd line inheritors of the civil rights movement. The brother needs to look into the mirror where he will find his enemy, i.e., his inability to create space within the minds of his targeted audience. </i><br /><br />rotflmbao..., the brother gone do what the brother gone do - whether he does it with a black partisan or a John Birch society cohort.<br /><br />Such is the nature of the evolutionary impulse.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76902673675507001582012-09-16T18:35:10.946-05:002012-09-16T18:35:10.946-05:00@mb. I keep "pushing" the black cleopatr...@mb. I keep "pushing" the black cleopatra line because so many fools believe it and when you ask those whose consciousness you/others are trying to liberate with the myth making variety of afrocentrism that is popular in many circles they will recite talking points like a Fox News watcher. The difference being some stuff about black kings and queens, and black cleopatra as opposed to Obama being a socialist not born in this country who hates America.<br /><br />I have disdain for ignorance wherever I find it. As I said, we agree on quite a bit. Do check out Afrotopia. chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.com