tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post880786114883662200..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: What Sort of White Person Do You Want to Be? The Cowardly Police Shot and Killed an Unarmed Black Teenager Named Michael Brown Eight Times Yesterday in Ferguson, MissouriLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35856200188119920082014-08-26T00:30:25.465-05:002014-08-26T00:30:25.465-05:00As a white person I can't help but relate to a...As a white person I can't help but relate to another white person (police officer or otherwise) who claims to have been physically attacked by multiple black people explicitly because they were white. When these claims are made, true or not, I can't help but believe they are possible because I have personally had the same experience. I like the history channel too but textbooks and Hollywood can only shape a person's personal views on race to an extent, less so than life experiences.Winston Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50832509570978085932014-08-24T02:15:16.513-05:002014-08-24T02:15:16.513-05:00Chauncey Devega is a communist .You should move to...Chauncey Devega is a communist .You should move to a communis t country with your communist ideology .You would be doing the United States a favor.patrick santinellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18198027331246850162014-08-17T16:20:39.774-05:002014-08-17T16:20:39.774-05:00Unlike Eric Garner there needs to be justice, but ...Unlike Eric Garner there needs to be justice, but this guy M Brown was another reason why black americans are looked down on...He was a thug,i have no pity for people like him...He would have either have robbed or killed an innocent life or wasted more of our tax dollars....Good Riddance!James Monroenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58668956825252853842014-08-13T13:25:58.111-05:002014-08-13T13:25:58.111-05:00Anonymous created a website for Operation Ferguson...Anonymous created a website for Operation Ferguson: http://operationferguson.cf/<br /><br />One can also watch the "We are Legion - The Story of Anonymous" documentary there. I did and it was very interesting.<br /><br /><br /><br />Hackers seem themselves as Huckleberry Finn when he said, "All right, then, I'll GO to hell." 1:27 - 1:28 markkokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10806458971313426462014-08-12T13:16:13.221-05:002014-08-12T13:16:13.221-05:00It's clear that you came here to speak not to ...It's clear that you came here to speak not to listen. No need to state the obvious as if it were profound. As I said before, a person who will only stand for justice if the supporters of said justice speak nicely never was willing to take a stand in the first place. That person is you.KissedByTheSunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87314953618886240392014-08-12T13:05:45.090-05:002014-08-12T13:05:45.090-05:00Would you like a hug? Yup, "strident tone&quo...Would you like a hug? Yup, "strident tone" is a nice way of dismissing legitimate anger and upsetness and police killing black and brown people in the street. <br /><br /><br />Again, white supremacy and the white racial frame are damn dangerous and corrupting forces to the white psyche.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3216966985071594092014-08-12T12:48:10.377-05:002014-08-12T12:48:10.377-05:00I was just making an offhand comment about a more ...I was just making an offhand comment about a more effective way to garner support for a cause; I'm not at all emotionally invested in whether or not you agree with me. We don't see eye-to-eye... it's not a big deal. I'm happy to civilly agree to disagree. I was just stating my personal opinion about the strident tone of an op-ed piece, no more, no less.Miss Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7285415994841046192014-08-12T12:03:06.133-05:002014-08-12T12:03:06.133-05:00Huh?
I wasn't referring exclusively to myself...Huh?<br /><br />I wasn't referring exclusively to myself, as an individual. It just seemed to me that the author was appealing for the support of white people... asking them to be persuaded to his point of view.<br /><br /><br />Right is right and wrong is wrong. As KBS said, if you need nice words, hand holding, and an avoidance of the raw, direct truth to do the right thing then you have some horribly corrupted ethics. I am also very curious, where did I call "white people" names. I accurately describe and discuss white supremacy, white racism, and questions of power. If I have made an error in this regard do point it out.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37526280870848157732014-08-12T12:00:19.088-05:002014-08-12T12:00:19.088-05:00I will leave this up only because of the white vic...I will leave this up only because of the white victimology on display here as well as the stupidity. Your opening is great:<br /><br />" have only read two of your articles"<br /><br />Well you should read more.<br /><br />And:<br /><br />"The police are all that stand between us and the criminal element, and it doesn't seem very fair to lump them all together & consider them all to be too rough."<br /><br /><br /><br />White privilege is one hell of a drug.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22278557742441340672014-08-12T10:05:42.596-05:002014-08-12T10:05:42.596-05:00Again I don't believe that a loving, compassio...Again I don't believe that a loving, compassionate white person would see an innocent victim bleeding on the street surrounded by people struggling to help him, and then withdraw their support because the people helping the victim didn't ask for help nice enough. An adult understands that there are some things we have to do that transcend the emotions we feel. You don't withdraw your support for justice until every black person there is talks to you nicely unless you never really cared about how those people feel in the first place.<br /><br />I repeat. This is not Chauncey DeVegas personal cause that he must be extra careful in how he garners support. This is a human rights issue. A white person who judges a cause worthy to support by the tone that it's supporters use was never willing to help in the first place.KissedByTheSunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83229599438238526262014-08-12T09:26:42.134-05:002014-08-12T09:26:42.134-05:00Honestly, the reason that the tone of the argument...Honestly, the reason that the tone of the argument caught my eye is that, for me, the shoe is often on the other foot. The cause that's near and dear to my heart is ecology, and I often find myself talking to people about recycling, alternative fuels and reducing our carbon footprints. Far too often, I am trying to persuade people who either have no interest in the topic or are actively hostile towards conservation. Sometimes I have to guard against using the tone that this author used: it's tempting for me to sound critical of the very people whom I want to persuade. I have to remind myself - and others in my group - that offending our audience is not likely to win them over. So, at least in my opinion, the manner and tone in which information is presented can often be just as important as the factual matter that we would like to share.Miss Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24009470998457180522014-08-12T09:05:24.818-05:002014-08-12T09:05:24.818-05:00I'd like to believe that white people are matu...I'd like to believe that white people are mature enough not to withdraw their support of an innocent because somebody called them names. This issue is not Chauncey's point of view or his personal cause to which he must gather support. This is a human rights issue. A genuinely loving and compassionate person would never withdraw their support of an innocent victim no matter how many insults were hurled at them. White people are better than to do something so blatantly childish.<br /> There are plenty of white people who both frequent and comment on this blog who feel no insult but rather join hands with the righteous rage that Chauncey DeVega expresses. You would do well to listen to them and not make false assumptions of how you think all white people the world over would react.KissedByTheSunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35803792062650884862014-08-12T08:37:02.149-05:002014-08-12T08:37:02.149-05:00I wasn't referring exclusively to myself, as a...I wasn't referring exclusively to myself, as an individual. It just seemed to me that the author was appealing for the support of white people... asking them to be persuaded to his point of view. However, at the same time, he was (it seemed to me) caught up in a great deal of negative emotion, & speaking unkindly to the very group of people he would like to win over. Personally, I don't read much about racial politics & have never been very involved in these sorts of debates. It just struck me that the tone of the article might be counterproductive when it came to garnering white support, that's all.Miss Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55353737199644186332014-08-12T08:20:10.677-05:002014-08-12T08:20:10.677-05:00Cry me a river.
Are you seriously suggesting that ...Cry me a river.<br />Are you seriously suggesting that you will not stand up and defend an innocent person who was killed unjustifiably because one person who's defending the boy called you a name? Is your moral compass that fragile or are you that racist?KissedByTheSunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23742752065001072362014-08-12T07:22:23.015-05:002014-08-12T07:22:23.015-05:00I have only read two of your articles, but I find ...I have only read two of your articles, but I find it interesting that you call white people names and say ugly things about us, and then ask us to take your side. That doesn't seem like it will work very well, in my opinion. And you don't seem to understand the way that most people feel, which is (I believe) that for every police officer who is a meanie, there are hundreds who are really good guys, risking their lives to protect the public. The police are all that stand between us and the criminal element, and it doesn't seem very fair to lump them all together & consider them all to be too rough. It just seems like you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Being nasty and calling names doesn't seem likely to win people over to your point of view, at least to me.Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19809669266197460412014-08-11T23:03:15.110-05:002014-08-11T23:03:15.110-05:00I hold the police to higher standards than thugs. ...I hold the police to higher standards than thugs. Thugs haven't taken oaths to uphold law and order and serve and protect the public. <br /><br />When a street thug kills another Black man ,he gets caught and sent to prison. Justice has been served. Justice and the protection of the public isn't served when the police can simply murder those they feel aren't being properly obeisiant to their authority. <br /><br />When all white men acted like this before the Civil Rights era ,it was called Jim Crow. What's the name for it now?Lkekenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60038769995531598762014-08-11T20:31:00.467-05:002014-08-11T20:31:00.467-05:00"Why should we not bring more attention to ou..."Why should we not bring more attention to our slaying each other?" <br /><br />You mean like this? <br />http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/advocates-march-gun-violence-honor-brooklyn-boy-article-1.1812778<br /><br />Or this? http://www.northjersey.com/news/with-prayer-and-hope-patersonians-march-against-street-violence-1.961364<br /><br />Or how about this? http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20140628/third-march-against-violence-hits-pottstowns-streets<br /><br />Is that attention enough or do you still want to keep repeating that racist mantra that black people don't call out there own?KissedByTheSunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29889711147373355272014-08-11T20:08:19.519-05:002014-08-11T20:08:19.519-05:00Our priorities are what we put our energy into. We...Our priorities are what we put our energy into. We should be demanding justice for all the slain black folks. Violence is violence. Why should we not bring more attention to our slaying each other? Because the racist right uses it as an accusation to as evidence of our inferiority without regard for historical and socioeconomic context? Screw the right wing. They are going to rationalize hate no matter what. But black people are dying and we have some things to address.<br /><br />Our community can save black lives and undercut a racist talking point by collectively and publicly attending to this and protest cop slayings at the same time.Manimalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23270612493927978272014-08-11T19:54:24.881-05:002014-08-11T19:54:24.881-05:00"I am asserting that you disproportionately f..."I am asserting that you disproportionately focus on one aspect of violence on the black community while ignoring one with a significant body count."<br /><br /><br />I haven't written about thug ign'ts many times. <br /><br /><br />Police are representative of the state. They have the power of life and death. They are supposed to be professionals with a sacred trust. More police should be outraged by the bad behavior of their colleagues because it makes you all complicit by virtue of silence.<br /><br /><br />I don't expect thug ignt's to behave properly. I do expect police to.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37619708674431478242014-08-11T19:45:49.982-05:002014-08-11T19:45:49.982-05:00First of all. I agree with your article 100%. My i...First of all. I agree with your article 100%. My issue is that the community voices and leaders do not take a multifaceted approach to affecting change. My point is not that we shouldn't be outraged, but we are not outraged enough. We cheery pick our outrage. It is possible to be angry about both things.<br /><br />I am not deflecting away from the topic of your article. I am asserting that you disproportionately focus on one aspect of violence on the black community while ignoring one with a significant body count. <br /><br />I disclosed my blackness and copness to show my perspective. Believe me or not, it doesn't change my argument.Manimalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70319774974678943892014-08-11T19:45:07.057-05:002014-08-11T19:45:07.057-05:00I am glad Anonymous is on this. I keep thinking in...I am glad Anonymous is on this. I keep thinking in an alternate reality that Anonymous is actually the Singularity. Good to see it is on the side of truth.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-66136358695024205462014-08-11T19:24:24.404-05:002014-08-11T19:24:24.404-05:00He was murdered in cold blood. He was unarmed. He ...He was murdered in cold blood. He was unarmed. He had his hands up in the air. <br /><br />They shot and killed him.<br /><br />And then let his body sit out there for hours.<br /><br />They are soulless monsters.rikyrahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46466951431384592292014-08-11T17:07:36.187-05:002014-08-11T17:07:36.187-05:00This is a hate crime and should be prosecuted as s...This is a hate crime and should be prosecuted as such.<br /><br />I'm angry. This is not a society we should be proud of. Time for us all to get angry and do something about it.<br /><br />Anonymous came out with a video response. The transcript follows:<br />Anonymous Full Statement<br /> <br />A little over 24 hours ago in Ferguson, Missouri – USA the Ferguson Police Department shot an un-armed teen 6 times and killed him. His body was left to lie in a pool of blood in the sweltering heat for hours while the police militarized the area against protesters and attempted to concoct a reasonable story as to why they snatched this innocent students life for no reason. The St. Louis County Sheriff Department even sealed the roads leading to Ferguson in a vain attempt to prevent protesters from reaching the city. His name was Mike Brown, he was 17 – and he would have started college next week. Instead, his family is struggling to come up with funeral costs.<br /> <br />The entire global collective of Anonymous is outraged at this cold blooded murder of a young teen. Not a week goes by that some young person, usually of minority ethnicity – is slaughtered by murderous police in the USA. For this reason Anonymous will not be satisfied this time, as we have in the past – with simply obtaining justice for this young man and his family.<br /> <br />Anonymous demands that the Congressional Representatives and Senators from Missouri introduce legislation entitled “Mike Brown’s Law” that will set strict national standards for police conduct in the USA. We further demand that this new law include specific language to grant the victims of police violence the same rights and prerogatives that are already enjoyed nationwide by the victims of other violent criminals. The Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution demands nothing less.<br /> <br />To the good people of Ferguson, take heart – and take your streets. You are not alone, we will support you in every way possible. Occupy every square inch of your city. Open your homes and help in any way you can the protesters who will come to your city from every part of Missouri and the USA. Businesses and householders that are near protest rallies, open your WiFi routers so that live streamers and other independent journalists can use the Internet connections. Feed each other, keep each other safe – and stay in the streets until we are totally victorious in all our demands.<br /> <br />To the Ferguson Police Department and any other jurisdictions who are deployed to the protests: we are watching you very closely. If you abuse, harass – or harm in any way the protesters in Ferguson we will take every web based asset of your departments and governments off line. That is not a threat, it is a promise. If you attack the protesters, we will attack every server and computer you have. We will dox and release the personal information on every single member of the Ferguson Police Department, as well as any other jurisdiction that participates in the abuse. We will seize all your databases and E-Mail spools and dump them on the Internet. This is your only warning.<br /><br />The time has come for more than simple justice for these atrocities. The time has come to draw a line in the sand and say “no more dead kids”, no more police killings and beatings. Anonymous is drawing a line in the sand, and that line runs right down the middle of Main Street Ferguson, Missouri. Police impunity ends with the barbaric death of Mike Brown.<br /> <br />We Are Anonymous – We Are Legion – We Will Not Forgive – We Will Not Forget<br /> <br />EXPECT JUSTICE – DEMAND CHANGE<br /> <br />To help, citizens are urged to join the #Ferguson hashtag campaign.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80143232359821833402014-08-11T13:46:00.431-05:002014-08-11T13:46:00.431-05:00These are fine suggestions. I heard the former edi...These are fine suggestions. I heard the former editor of the NY Sun lecture on this almost two decades ago, however. We were much less of a police state back then, and yet nothing was put into practice in many localities, as well as at the federal level. Now were on a stronger downward trajectory as a nation with even more Timothy McVeighs coming home. Our rightist politicians are bat guano insane, and many of our Democrats are either quasi-Republicans or need to be righter than the right to hold onto their jobs and health care.<br /><br /><br />I don't see a solution unless it's the People's Solution. And I think the people are watching too much TV.Wild Catnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32817035229797560582014-08-11T13:22:58.231-05:002014-08-11T13:22:58.231-05:00Social networks are a huge part of this. Thus the ...Social networks are a huge part of this. Thus the myth of meritocracy as you pointed out. <br /><br /><br />The CNN comments on the murder of Michael Brown are virulently white supremacist. The comments are like a KKK meeting or Stormfront picnic. Yet, CNN does not monitor them. People should boycott the advertisers and sponsors of sites that do not monitor their comment sections.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com