tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post8685781752642611679..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Because Kira Davis was Hurt by Toure and the Word "Niggerization": My Open Letter to a Black Conservative on YoutubeLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17534281075732465822014-04-26T14:12:42.209-05:002014-04-26T14:12:42.209-05:00Ok, I know it's two years later that I'm w...Ok, I know it's two years later that I'm writing this. I was reading your article and got as far as your comment about the tea party: "a good deal of this will be deserved given how conservatism and the Tea Party GOP have been so nakedly hostile to the political and economic interests of people of color." I stopped reading at that point because I got deeply personally offended. I consider myself a Tea Party person. I have seen none of what you said about them in my contacts with them. I've seen black people among the Tea Party protesters. I want everyone to be happy, to have a job, to have self esteem, to be connected to their family and community and church. I know that to have a society like that can only raise me. Every Tea Party person I've talked to personally agrees with me. There are exceptions, but exceptions exist on both sides. Which Party was the party of the KKK, the party of segregation? The democrats thought by passing the civil rights act they could absolve themselves from this guilt. Would you like to know what Lyndon Johnson said when he signed it? He confided that if they could give the "niggers" freebies they would vote democratic for the next 200 years. Oops!<br /><br /><br />Now, as to my claim that I was deeply and personally offended: I am a 70 year old white male (I suppose the kind of profile people like you would call a bible thumping, christian, bigoted conservative male that wants to throw your mama off the bus or whatever it is that liberals unjustly characterize conservatives as being). I live in Memphis TN, traditionally a democratic enclave and I am a musician who plays saxophone, primarily jazz and blues. I've recorded at Stax studios, performed at WattStaxx 72 in LA colosseum with Luther Ingram. All my friends, except for a few, are black. I attend an all black church (except for me, literally) each and every Sunday. I also play sax there. I have never met a kinder, accepting congregation anywhere. We are family in every sense of the word except that we have different color skin. I engage in no political correctness and I always tell my new friends "if I have to be careful of what I say because you are black and I am white, then we will never truly be friends." I am a huge fan of Martin Luther King. I am also a huge fan of Calvin Coolidge, Alan Keyes, Star Parker, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Carson, Allen West, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Kira Davis, etc. Are you getting the point I'm trying to make by now? The point is that I align myself with those people, past and present, that share my philosophy, and I align myself with them not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. <br /><br /><br />I know that taking money from one person and giving it to another (while keeping a hunk of it for yourself) is something called stealing. I know that it diminishes and dehumanizes both parties (and yourself). There is no way to rationalize it to make it a just act. It's theft. I know that government is the problem. I know that if my government steals from me overtly or under color of law it is a crime. I believe that the government should fear us, not the other way around. I also know that corporations or oligarchies are the de facto government. These, to me, are undeniable truths and I know that liberal or progressive thinking is dangerous and destructive and can only lead to decline and decay. Look at Detroit as an example. <br /><br /><br />Kira has liberal friends but she arrived at her present way of thinking by critical analytic thought. The trouble I have with progressives is I think that they are the true racists because they think that if you're black you are supposed to act and think a certain way. And not a good way either.grumpy3625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47476565305240073452012-08-23T01:05:29.167-05:002012-08-23T01:05:29.167-05:00Kira Davis is married to Andy Kosove, a white Osca...Kira Davis is married to Andy Kosove, a white Oscar-nominated movie producer and partner in Alcon Entertainment ('The Blind Side', 'Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 1 & 2', 'Dolphin Tale') - Kira is even listed with producer credits on some of their films. In spite of her video scolding of Toure having a 'home-spun' amateur look/feel, she is no amateur - indeed, far from it in re: media. Her political partisanship may be sincere, but one might reasonably question her claim of being punched in the face as a kid while being called the n-word, but that's just the skeptic in me after Herman Cain and US Rep Allen West (R-FL). Just wanted to share the info. <br />Cheers. MattGMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08484099486454046056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46630086354610607392012-08-21T11:53:48.489-05:002012-08-21T11:53:48.489-05:00Doubting Richard, you said
"There have been n...Doubting Richard, you said<br />"There have been no real, credible stories of racism at Tea Party events. None at all."<br /><br /><br />Jesus! Are you really serious? What about that time they literally spat upon the elderly black man who....<br /><br />Oh, never mind. I don't think there's any point in continuing. All I want to know is, do they pay you by the word, or by the post?<br /><br />- Buddy H.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42011527948072158302012-08-21T09:39:17.286-05:002012-08-21T09:39:17.286-05:00Uh..., lest I be mistaken as having gone soft on t...Uh..., lest I be mistaken as having gone soft on the Hon.Bro.Preznit.Double-O - my questions were not posed in defense of his politics and policies - rather - I'm sincerely curious about what specific politics and policies someone purportedly writing from the UK has in mind when he describes these as "anti-American"?<br /><br />Pro-Bankster - CHECK!<br />Warsocialist - CHECK!<br />Center/Right - CHECK!<br />Anti-American - DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81493580152665646112012-08-21T07:57:55.256-05:002012-08-21T07:57:55.256-05:00@ Cnu
Good question, I wanted to ask D.R. if ther...@ Cnu<br /><br />Good question, I wanted to ask D.R. if there were any Tea Party members that where part of any hate groups. Also has any Tea party member apologized for signs asked to be removed from an event or have they had to remove anyone.Bruto Altonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65452385742006208522012-08-21T07:35:08.162-05:002012-08-21T07:35:08.162-05:00Uh..., doubting richard, could you please detail s...Uh..., doubting richard, could you please detail some of what you consider Obama's anti-american politics to be?<br /><br />Also help us understand, why have Tea Party rallies been uniformly lily-white political events?<br /><br />Why no mass turnout and participation by black and brown people? Thanks.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37729381213703425682012-08-21T05:27:24.922-05:002012-08-21T05:27:24.922-05:00Wow. This is one of the most racist things I have ...Wow. This is one of the most racist things I have read in a while. Just because she is black miss Davis is being fawned over.<br /><br />As for the list of supposed complaints:<br /><br />1. Was nothing to do with race; it related to Obama's obvious anti-American politics<br /><br />2. Is not true. Criticism is not race based, but based on willingness of people of all races to demand other people give them money. You are being racist assuming that is only related to black people.<br /><br />3. Obama himself was the original birther. He wrote on his biographical information for his publisher that he was born in Kenya. He has not released his grades. That is unusual. He claims to be intelligent, yet accomplished nothing in any role. His grades are relevant to that claim, on which his election was largely based. Nothing to do with race.<br /><br />4. Same as 2<br /><br />5. Is simply a lie. There have been no real, credible stories of racism at Tea Party events. None at all. Oh, except from the press, who picture a man with his rifle, somehow hiding the fact he was black while they implied he was a racist.<br /><br />On the other hand the OWS protests have been shot through with racism, mostly against Jews but also against black people, even black members of the movement. No mention of that?<br /><br />So all five points just your racist interpretations or belief in lies.<br /><br />I would never claim that racism is unique to the left. However it is more common on the left than the right.Doubting Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507892426345836143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57862108090106250212012-08-18T19:02:27.684-05:002012-08-18T19:02:27.684-05:00@Abstentus. He doesn't care. This is just one ...@Abstentus. He doesn't care. This is just one more story or anecdote for a book or the lecture circuit. <br /><br />@Anon. Be careful, I might start to believe such kind words.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-38593619212583805972012-08-18T17:24:41.391-05:002012-08-18T17:24:41.391-05:00Absolutely the best counter to
this sort of black...Absolutely the best counter to <br />this sort of black conservatism I've read since Cornel West "Demystifying Black Conservatism" chapter in <br />Race Matters.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9271294340029649252012-08-18T17:08:24.104-05:002012-08-18T17:08:24.104-05:00Toure's nonapology reminded me of two things. ...Toure's nonapology reminded me of two things. Firstly, that scene in the second Matrix film, with the Merovingian talking about how he loves to curse in French. "It's like wiping your ass with silk." There is some self satisfied look and sound to Toure there, like he was enjoying the feel of it.<br /><br />The second thing it reminds me of is me. Well, me, when I still wasted time arguing with wing nuts and other racists (I literally mean that; other racists,) on message boards. Every now and then I would throw out some facutally lacking nothing. Some throwaway trifling line that some smarter wing nut could seize on. That would allow me to say, "Mea Culpa," and do it with a sense of satisfaction, knowing that down the road I could say, "Hey . . . when ever anyone catches me in an innacuracy I admit it. Just last week (or month) . . ." <br /><br />Ya. Toure looked like that. To me. Like the cat who ate the canary. And enjoyed it.Abstentushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835338592202401866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52419144218794410282012-08-18T16:57:54.248-05:002012-08-18T16:57:54.248-05:00Thrasher,
You are speaking truth about the black ...Thrasher,<br /><br />You are speaking truth about the black elite class in our country. They, being the black Democrat elites, are allowed their hour to put their heads in the trough of American spoils to, with better access than they have ever had, with Obama at the helm, ie. Rev. Al, Dr. Eric Dyson and others in Congress, save a minute few. That is their payoff. <br /><br />Like MK said, they have become attack dogs for Obama against all black dissident voices.<br /><br />It seems to me that a lot of black folk owe Tavis Smiley a profuse apology.<br /><br />Truthfully, Razornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28314315350699769402012-08-18T16:30:18.086-05:002012-08-18T16:30:18.086-05:00CNu
I was in a somewhat charitable mood with Tou...CNu<br /><br /><br />I was in a somewhat charitable mood with Toure because of the alternative that I dreaded he would do, which is drop his pants on national TV and grovel not to let the bad men rape him anymore. I expected much worse from him. We all knew that it was not outside the realm of possibility that he would spend a full five minutes apologizing to all of white Americans for having such temerity. Even the to the depths of perhaps apologizing to Kira Davis.Razornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74089498960740059322012-08-18T15:52:36.363-05:002012-08-18T15:52:36.363-05:00I don't charge for typing plus I 'm a zill...I don't charge for typing plus I 'm a zillionaire ... Lol lol lolPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70375305695803197282012-08-18T15:23:19.974-05:002012-08-18T15:23:19.974-05:00hell all you is run your fingers over your keyboar...<i>hell all you is run your fingers over your keyboard</i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />At a billable rate of $75/hr and that's just doing rote shit for ruhtards.<br /><br />My billable rate for 1l33t keyboard tickling is $425/hr numbnuts.<br /><br />How bout you?CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21270443517425682692012-08-18T15:15:13.251-05:002012-08-18T15:15:13.251-05:00CNu
Get your teeth back in your mouth you are env...CNu<br /><br />Get your teeth back in your mouth you are envious slug work is many things hell all you is run your fingers over your keyboard. Lol lol lol Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5089998967488909772012-08-18T15:07:41.058-05:002012-08-18T15:07:41.058-05:00Kira's no Nikki Gomez, but..,
I'd hit it....Kira's no <a href="http://nikkigomez.carbonmade.com/projects/2637322#1" rel="nofollow">Nikki Gomez</a>, but..,<br /><br />I'd hit it. <br /><br /><i>{Bet you a dollar she's married<a href="http://www.love4utah.com/" rel="nofollow"> like Mia Love</a> is married....,}</i>CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-8937814264311636732012-08-18T14:58:24.468-05:002012-08-18T14:58:24.468-05:00Toure's apology was par for course for Black f...<i>Toure's apology was par for course for Black folks working in the corporate world.</i><br /><br /><i>{{{{working?!?!?!?!}}}}</i><br /><br />a jiggaboo whoopin his gums on teevee does not meet the definition of "working", notwithstanding the fact that he is being paid.<br /><br />So let's be clear about what the niblet do, HE.GETS.PAID.TO.SAY.BREAD.AND.CIRCUS.SHIT<br /><br />and if shit gets too real, well....?<br /><br /><i>Agreed, but did you expect more? Considering that he works, in part, for MSNBC, I believe that he won the stare-down, and came away with what dignity he has intact. I have to give him some credit.</i><br /><br />Razor....,<br /><br /><b>RAZOR!!!</b><br /><br />I expect a harder core from you and no half-stepping on paid talking heads given your righteous disdain for the sons of Mammon in the pulpit.<br /><br />Do.Not.Forgive.<br /><br />Do.Not.Forget.<br /><br />Accept no substitutes....,<br />CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18122882496455845602012-08-18T13:10:31.310-05:002012-08-18T13:10:31.310-05:00I think we've found the next American Idol.
...I think we've found the next American Idol. <br /><br />With that type of Spoken Word propaganda, she'd easily beat the competition.<br /><br />It would be interesting to learn and research her pedigree.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02532176255454058398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26412931477592329912012-08-18T12:01:59.300-05:002012-08-18T12:01:59.300-05:00Toure's apology was par for course for Black f...Toure's apology was par for course for Black folks working in the corporate world.<br /><br />It is a reality of the market place especially those who work in MSM venues.<br /><br />Clearly it is one of the reasons many people here including our host file commentaries under and alias.<br /><br />There is always a exchange for something of value. Toure of course did not offer up anything newsflash about how race operates in our nation given our country's racial legacy.<br /><br />Toure's apology is a nothing burger what is more offensive and tragic is the Black ruling class dumping on Biden .I find this more instructive and backward that a talking head like Toure stating the obvious..<br /><br />Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70716620225967015562012-08-18T11:23:17.530-05:002012-08-18T11:23:17.530-05:00@buddy. Biden is old school, inside, and white. I ...@buddy. Biden is old school, inside, and white. I would have picked him too. Many people forget that radicals do not become President of the United States. The system is set up to prevent such a thing--why so many have forgotten that relative to Obama still befuddles me.<br /><br />@free. i think some black conservatives are very principled. the ones you see on TV and trying to get their name up online are not for the most part. they like being special and many of them had something happen to them in their formative years that scarred them psychically. It was never processed properly thus this outcome. <br /><br />Being a black conservative is money. I have no doubt, no doubt at all in my mind that I would be a millionaire if I started this website as a black conservative. I would be on TV, radio, the lecture circuit, selling books, etc.<br /><br />The Right is great on the latter point, they have front groups put up by the Kochs and others to buy the very books their agents right. Those are expenses as business losses and written off on the taxes. How do you think that book on Obama has lingered on the NY Times list for so long? Straw buyers.<br /><br />That isn't boasting; it is simply a fact based on what I know about the market for their wares. <br /><br />@MB. I am no fan of his. He did punk out--predictably. It is all about the money. Dude has bills to pay. <br /><br />@Razor. I emailed her and sent a message on Twitter. Nothing beyond a "thanks" and sending the url to a few of her Twitter buddies. The offer is there. I am harmless. Why wouldn't she want to chat?<br /><br />chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26527875783465712632012-08-18T11:05:01.307-05:002012-08-18T11:05:01.307-05:00CD,
The only way she is going to let you on her r...CD,<br /><br />The only way she is going to let you on her radio show live is with a proviso that there is a five minute delay in broadcasting and that her friends have full control over editing your contibution to the broadcast. I assume she will have read you. Otherwise, if she is voluntarily going to get up on that bleeding cross, then we know that her martydom will have been planned and there is a huge deal already negotiated.<br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />We cannot forget that Biden is after all is said and done a huge beneficiary and example of white privilege with a healthy dose of unconscious liberal racism, and besides, has diarreah lips and no thought of his is safe from being disclosed at any time...like a manifestation of Turrett's Syndrome. He probably knows less state secrets than the bobble-head Dan Quale that George Bush had for a vice-president.<br /><br />CNu,<br /><br />Agreed, but did you expect more? Considering that he works, in part, for MSNBC, I believe that he won the stare-down, and came away with what dignity he has intact. I have to give him some credit.Razornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87693859470434258412012-08-18T10:52:24.912-05:002012-08-18T10:52:24.912-05:00Indeed Kira Davis can lighten up because Toure has...Indeed Kira Davis can lighten up because Toure has punked out. Just like the other day Rev. Al almost forgot that his role is to be Obama's attack dog to stifle the dissent of the unruly Afrikans. <br /><br />“I think it was, I think he used the wrong term, I think he might have been over the top. But what, hateful? If he was referring to the middle class, even in front of a black audience, I don’t know how you make that hateful.” -- Sharpton on Bidenmakheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60437822348533332632012-08-18T10:07:27.983-05:002012-08-18T10:07:27.983-05:00The niblet's moment of faux testicular fortitu...The <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/08/17/msnbcs-tour-neblett-apologizes-saying-romneys-engaging-niggerization-obama" rel="nofollow">niblet's moment of faux testicular fortitude</a> came and went, quick, fast, and in a hurry....,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6693649418854553032012-08-18T08:27:37.003-05:002012-08-18T08:27:37.003-05:00this is easily the best thing i've read of you...this is easily the best thing i've read of yours. gorgeous.<br /><br />do you suppose it comes from a desire to be "different" and break a stereotype? i feel like it does.freeboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131233817153602375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-72933706446271125512012-08-18T08:19:49.524-05:002012-08-18T08:19:49.524-05:00Super insights!Super insights!Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.com