tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post8375942187761558429..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: From the Files of Stating the Obvious: Reverend Wright Suggests That White Supremacy Drives World PolicyLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79098799224336953012012-04-12T19:54:16.921-05:002012-04-12T19:54:16.921-05:00Again - No disagreement on the TOOL known as the &...Again - No disagreement on the TOOL known as the "Black Racial Services Machine".<br /><br />My only question is - Why is it that the "Afro-Centrists", upon seeing MSNBC, Washington Post Co and Comcast investing in "Black Journalism" - to advance the musings of "The Black Racial Services Machine" they failed to see this action as that of "The Corporate Media", having been fooled that a favorable "progressive" message was pure?Constructive Feedbackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417405356099504421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69266440626012302492012-04-12T09:21:10.230-05:002012-04-12T09:21:10.230-05:00Puppet, instrument, BRILLIANT!
Bro. Feed gone seg...Puppet, instrument, BRILLIANT!<br /><br />Bro. Feed gone segue to crickets on that objective reduction, much as CDV stays conspicuously quiet, as well.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5184690461596718792012-04-12T08:17:38.443-05:002012-04-12T08:17:38.443-05:00@Constructive Feedback
'My only issue is that ...@Constructive Feedback<br />'My only issue is that you focused on the "ruling class" but, the fact remains that (the force that I call....) '<br />Yeah, I like to go to the source of the problem. Obama's a puppet. "The Black Racial Services Machine" is an instrument...of the ruling class.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81954597369163154802012-04-11T21:56:52.912-05:002012-04-11T21:56:52.912-05:00[quote]"This Obama presidency has been a bril...[quote]<b>"This Obama presidency has been a brilliant move by our ruling class, for this black, personable decoy has managed to pacify vast swaths of an otherwise restless constituency, while enraging others for the wrong reason. </b>[/quote]<br /><br />Nomad:<br /><br />Though I don't know you as I have not read a series of your arguments I must say that I RESPECT YOUR RESPONSE. Thank you.<br /><br />My only issue is that you focused on the "ruling class" but, the fact remains that (the force that I call....) "The Black Racial Services Machine" - after turning a blind eye to the invasion of the sovereign nation of Libya, commando strikes in Somalia - which have killed at least 12 Somalians - shooting them in the head and constant drone attacks on Pakistan - can't see that they are REVERSE 'DR KINGS'.<br /><br />King told Johnson that his eye for justice around the world trumped his drive for "social justice" in America.<br /><br />Today we have "JingOists" who don't want to derail their domestic social justice agenda by calling out the American Imperialist War Machine lest their favored commander in chief suffer criticism.Constructive Feedbackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417405356099504421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31799454052299678122012-04-11T16:54:45.980-05:002012-04-11T16:54:45.980-05:00"Check your reaction."
sledge said.
I..."Check your reaction."<br /><br />sledge said. <br /><br />I say 'what for?'<br /><br />"It denotes a problem."<br /><br />and well it should.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32617881179704751372012-04-11T16:03:57.648-05:002012-04-11T16:03:57.648-05:00ARGH! I meant to leave an actual comment. Just wan...ARGH! I meant to leave an actual comment. Just want the Chauncey Devega take on this article. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/granderson-violence-race/index.html?hpt=hp_c2<br /><br />ThanksDorothy Potter Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437027506822572629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44884863143390482332012-04-11T16:02:59.922-05:002012-04-11T16:02:59.922-05:00http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/granderson-v...http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/granderson-violence-race/index.html?hpt=hp_c2Dorothy Potter Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437027506822572629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60119911714847311692012-04-11T12:54:45.741-05:002012-04-11T12:54:45.741-05:00nomad said...
"Whites in general, expect (or ...nomad said...<br />"Whites in general, expect (or hope for) honorable service from legislators and officials without the corruption and payoffs."<br /><br />Cause, as you know, us Negroes is all in favor of corruption. It's our nature.<br /><br />"The new racism is denial of racism."<br /><br />Nomad I asked what the black community wanted from their officials. I commented on my thoughts of what the white community wanted from their officials.<br /><br />Check your reaction. It denotes a problem. Man, sometimes I just don't know what to think..sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23891166281959722262012-04-11T12:45:16.467-05:002012-04-11T12:45:16.467-05:00CNu you should have figured out by now that I say ...CNu you should have figured out by now that I say exactly what I think. I don't lie. Sometimes I would probably be reacted to better if I did or if i just kept quiet. But that's not in me.<br /><br />If the complexity comment above was for me. Thanks. I'm aware that our officials, black, white, whatever color, could care less about working for any color, unless it happens to be green.<br /><br />I'd say you are right when Bush II was first elected. Whites, conservatives, hoped our government was going to be fixed. There had already been a lot of frustration building before that election. Then after 9/11 we all pretty much got behind him. We stayed behind him through his reelection mostly out of patriotism.(Now I think we were played.)<br /><br />During Bush II's second term a lot of conservative eyes began to clear and open. We started seeing a pattern that went back through the Clinton years to the Bush I years. A picture started emerging that indicated Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama are working for the same people. And they aren't the American people. Democrat leaders and Republicans leaders, two sides of the same coin, in the same pocket. Romney won't be any different, bought, paid for, owned.<br /><br />There are different ideas as to what the pocket people are actually after. Some say it's just the money. Others say they've already got that so it's more about control.<br /><br />Every day more people have woken up to what we've got here. And as the voices get louder and louder the government has been getting ready.<br /><br />The more people wake up the more classes of people are placed on the potential terrorist watch lists. And the more citizen control moves are taken. Patriot Act, Executive Orders, NDAA, Terrorist Citizenship Removal, Internet Control, it goes on and on. Even the Health Care Act is loaded up with citizen control features.<br /><br />You have to say one thing for the pocket people. They may be evil but they are damn sure smart. They play all of us against each other and we fall right in line.<br /><br />It looks like the people calling for an end to capitalism are going to get their wish. We're headed for fascism and a controlled society at the speed of a bullet train.<br /><br />All you have to do is look at government purchases over the past two years to see where we're at on the pocket peoples timeline.<br /><br />The sad thing is that people will be begging for the pocket people to save them too. To keep in line with the topic of the blog I'll just add that it will be both black and white begging to be saved.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-66726510150329707852012-04-11T12:01:39.931-05:002012-04-11T12:01:39.931-05:00"Whites in general, expect (or hope for) hono..."Whites in general, expect (or hope for) honorable service from legislators and officials without the corruption and payoffs."<br /><br />Cause, as you know, us Negroes is all in favor of corruption. It's our nature.<br /><br />"The new racism is denial of racism."nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65307459340674261662012-04-11T11:38:05.864-05:002012-04-11T11:38:05.864-05:00Whites in general, expect (or hope for) honorable ...<i>Whites in general, expect (or hope for) honorable service from legislators and officials without the corruption and payoffs. That is the reason for the dissatisfaction, unhappiness and distrust of government among the white population in general.<br /><br />Our officials aren't living up to our expectations of right and wrong.</i><br /><br />lol, stop lying. <br /><br />White folks didn't make a peep under two terms of atrocious perpetration by the Bush administration.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1804574286209237842012-04-11T11:35:33.203-05:002012-04-11T11:35:33.203-05:00Although Obama’s blackness is irrelevant, it has b...<b>Although Obama’s blackness is irrelevant, it has become a fixation to both his detractors and supporters, so that it has become a point of honor to defend or depose this man for his blackness alone, when in truth his race does not factor at all in any of his decisions. One should not care that he is black, because Obama does not care that he is black, and not in a good way either. Obama is not here to rectify whatever ails the black or any other community. He is only here to facilitate the wishes of the Military Banking Complex, and he’s willing to trample on you all, black, white, brown or yellow, to achieve their goals.</b><br /><br />bears repeating - and - underscores complexity so elusive to some...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34099037364594804632012-04-11T11:22:10.539-05:002012-04-11T11:22:10.539-05:00No takers to answer my question? Too bad. Must b...No takers to answer my question? Too bad. Must be a big secret. Well...........sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58774934321853672172012-04-11T10:17:56.831-05:002012-04-11T10:17:56.831-05:00Er...
meanwhile.
@Constructive Feedback
"If...Er...<br />meanwhile.<br />@Constructive Feedback <br /><br />"If The Commander In Chief is the lead executive of "American Foreign Policy" must we conclude that Obama has WHITE SUPREMACIST POLICIES?"<br /><br />Yes. Yes we do. <br /><br /> "This Obama presidency has been a brilliant move by our ruling class, for this black, personable decoy has managed to pacify vast swaths of an otherwise restless constituency, while enraging others for the wrong reason. Although Obama’s blackness is irrelevant, it has become a fixation to both his detractors and supporters, so that it has become a point of honor to defend or depose this man for his blackness alone, when in truth his race does not factor at all in any of his decisions. One should not care that he is black, because Obama does not care that he is black, and not in a good way either. Obama is not here to rectify whatever ails the black or any other community. He is only here to facilitate the wishes of the Military Banking Complex, and he’s willing to trample on you all, black, white, brown or yellow, to achieve their goals."<br /><br />http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/10/know-thy-enemy/nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30214097200792648902012-04-11T09:07:13.153-05:002012-04-11T09:07:13.153-05:00Deb said...
@sledge..."Deb, there was a reaso...Deb said...<br />@sledge..."Deb, there was a reason for your statement."<br /><br />Yes there was, but I'm 100% certain it's not what you think it was.<br /><br /><br />Yes maam, I take you at your word.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25309314933350496252012-04-11T08:46:54.167-05:002012-04-11T08:46:54.167-05:00@sledge..."Deb, there was a reason for your s...@sledge...<b>"Deb, there was a reason for your statement."</b><br /><br />Yes there was, but I'm 100% certain it's not what you think it was.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71779360134564717912012-04-11T08:45:29.303-05:002012-04-11T08:45:29.303-05:00Seriously, I do have a question for you that I'...Seriously, I do have a question for you that I'd like to understand. It pertains to the document you put up.<br /><br />This portion:<br /><br />"Look at our Black "symbols" in those real arenas today: Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell; they've done precious little for Blacks in America"<br /><br />I assume this list would also include Obama, Holder and and a few others.<br /><br />My question is what did you or the black community expect them to accomplish for blacks in America?<br /><br />Was there supposed to be some special action take or benefit they could bestow on people of color?<br /><br />When they assume office they are supposed to be representing the entire United States. In a perfect world they wouldn't be subject to the corruption of money in politics. We know that isn't happening regardless of color.<br /><br />Whites in general, expect (or hope for) honorable service from legislators and officials without the corruption and payoffs. That is the reason for the dissatisfaction, unhappiness and distrust of government among the white population in general. <br /><br />Our officials aren't living up to our expectations of right and wrong.<br /><br />What are the expectations of the black community and how are they different?sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65316912371937743712012-04-11T08:16:33.254-05:002012-04-11T08:16:33.254-05:00Finally we agree on something. I couldn't agr...Finally we agree on something. I couldn't agree with you more. I knew it was bound to happen sooner or later.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20609028857250765212012-04-11T08:10:47.338-05:002012-04-11T08:10:47.338-05:00anosognosia is a turrible and irremediable conditi...<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anosognosia" rel="nofollow">anosognosia</a> is a turrible and irremediable condition..., (why talk is completely wasted on its victims)CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69898278928457017572012-04-11T07:55:31.340-05:002012-04-11T07:55:31.340-05:00LOL! Give me a break! Complexity of facts and co...LOL! Give me a break! Complexity of facts and complexity of double speak are two different things.<br /><br />Throwing up documents that when you examine them turn out to be nothing more than self sided racism. With some large words thrown in as an effort to impress people and lend the document undeserved credibility doesn't qualify as a counter in my book. That's why I didn't bother to respond to it.<br /><br />Deb, there was a reason for your statement.<br /><br />"at the risk of not being totally certain that I GET where you're coming from (wouldn't be the first time here at WARN)"<br /><br />CNu your really amusing. More please.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60085579494979519802012-04-11T05:03:07.512-05:002012-04-11T05:03:07.512-05:00Pleasure's all mine sis...,
What tickled me m...Pleasure's all mine sis...,<br /><br />What tickled me most about sledge's conspicuously transparent commentary was his call to consider "complexity". <br /><br />However, when presented with even just a smidgeon of "complexity" himself, priceless.comedy.gold...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33062747606977926522012-04-10T21:04:31.006-05:002012-04-10T21:04:31.006-05:00CNu....at the risk of not being totally certain th...CNu....at the risk of not being totally certain that I <i>GET</i> where you're coming from (wouldn't be the first time here at WARN), I have to co-sign <b>every one of your comments on this post</b>.<br /><br />Being of the same locus as Rev. Wright - though I've tried mightily for some time, to believe the opposite (often getting my "Black Card" pulled as a result) - I've come to understand that believing <i>anything</i> has really changed, is an exercise in futility. Oh, I've tried to be "forgiving" (which I've recently realized has been to a fault) but, the facts on ground have given the lie to that line of thinking.<br /><br />That said, I apppreciate your "non-emotional" rebuttal of sledge's expressed, "inconvenient "truths."DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77576016421867185282012-04-10T20:13:36.527-05:002012-04-10T20:13:36.527-05:00My Dear Friend Chauncey DeVega:
How are you, brot...My Dear Friend Chauncey DeVega:<br /><br />How are you, brother? <br />Still at it I see.<br /><br />Question - You know that the Commander In Chief is a Black Man.<br />If The Commander In Chief is the lead executive of "American Foreign Policy" must we conclude that Obama has WHITE SUPREMACIST POLICIES? <br /><br /><br />When America bombed the sovereign nation of Libya - what was the editorial position of WARN? <br />Did you report on what Obama did or did you focus on what Cheney said about Obama?Constructive Feedbackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417405356099504421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33851799116123255862012-04-10T19:30:24.326-05:002012-04-10T19:30:24.326-05:00CNu said
"As for this horseshit here The onl...CNu said<br /><br />"As for this horseshit here The only other answer for those not willing to put forth the effort and time to inspire change at the personal level was found in Yugoslavia. <br /><br />Then minute white America flexes in that general direction is the minute white America basically, and literally commits suicide. You should never forget the black colonels and iron majors and how long they've had to systematically study and prepare for the Guns, Gold, and Grain yahoos that continue to pop up like whack-a-moles even in the contemporary armed services."<br /><br />Actually, you read my comment and applied it in the wrong direction from the meaning I gave it.<br /><br />I realize it's a waste of time to say this. But you may want to check the "Your worldview is so riddled with factual and historical errors that what you consider good or bad is of even less consequence than the wrongheaded superficiality of the academic racism chasers" thing against your own beliefs if you ever hope to have any effect on the real world. From what I've read you are fighting your own goal. But that's just a white guy's opinion, you go right ahead.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3749549939098055922012-04-10T18:55:49.880-05:002012-04-10T18:55:49.880-05:00Racism can "only" be addressed as a indi...<i>Racism can "only" be addressed as a individual personal, anecdotal phenomenon. Because that is exactly what it is. Without that change at the individual personal level the societal change you seek will never be achieved.</i><br /><br />And that's how the U.S. Armed Services were integrated, right?<br /><br />Your worldview is so riddled with factual and historical errors that what you consider good or bad is of even less consequence than the wrongheaded superficiality of the academic racism chasers. <br /><br />I go hard on the chasers because they too tend toward the personal, anecdotal and superficial - which is why it falls to a working physicist like Manuel Garcia Jr to call out the truth of the situation, inclusive of an opportunistic tool like the Hon.Bro.Preznit.Double-O who is blithely supported by many of the superficial chasers.<br /><br />As for this horseshit here <i>The only other answer for those not willing to put forth the effort and time to inspire change at the personal level was found in Yugoslavia.</i> <br /><br />Then minute white America flexes in that general direction is the minute white America basically, and literally commits suicide. You should never forget the black colonels and iron majors and how long they've had to systematically study and prepare for the Guns, Gold, and Grain yahoos that continue to pop up like whack-a-moles even in the contemporary armed services.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.com