tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post8135462935451100806..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: We are Untermenschen to Them: The Tea Party Faithful Cheer and Mock a Hispanic Child Whose Father is Going to be DeportedLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48019266837724928192013-08-24T22:16:26.092-05:002013-08-24T22:16:26.092-05:00We need to love and be good to each other. Unfortu...We need to love and be good to each other. Unfortunately, such principles are in short supply in many circles.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-8313776502269661402013-08-24T10:17:10.248-05:002013-08-24T10:17:10.248-05:00i am white (french actually) and deeply loved a pe...i am white (french actually) and deeply loved a person of color. i read this article and couldn't believe this way of thinking exists. i must lead an insular life, because I find beauty in every color. Either I am weird or the world is.Robert Albrightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62606106190733633332013-08-24T10:16:10.330-05:002013-08-24T10:16:10.330-05:00It has everything to do with it, as it seems your ...It has everything to do with it, as it seems your definition of "white settler state" is "any place I don't like that happens to have white people in it." Which is ludicrous, as a plurality of the people in Israel didn't settle there by choice, nor would they generally qualify as "white" in the USA or Europe. Although I will grant you that Israel is a State. <br />The ignorance that many Europeans and Americans have regarding non-European Jews is staggering.BCJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62842258597535327902013-08-23T20:29:27.266-05:002013-08-23T20:29:27.266-05:00All of this talk about illegal immigrants is very ...All of this talk about illegal immigrants is very similar to the hatred spewed by white protestants during the late 19th century when the Irish immigrated to America. They were also poor, uneducated, and seen as a drag on society who gave nothing and took everything. Many of their descendants are the same people who are so vocal about immigrants crossing the southern borders.HiStoryNutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32554182638824086502013-08-23T18:24:36.065-05:002013-08-23T18:24:36.065-05:00I didn't mention it and therefore you couldn&#...I didn't mention it and therefore you couldn't know, but the soccer fields I speak of are in a public park. It cost money to maintain, staff and protect them--everyone involved is very civic-minded. Everyone except the illegals, who bring with them the attitude formed by their harsh experiences back home: In a nation run by innumerable <i>caudillos</i> big and small, it's most sensible to just grab what you can for yourself before someone bigger grabs it away, and not fool with the charade that passes for law. That's the attitude that I don't want to have take root here.<br /><br />And if you'd like to do a kindness to your local librarians, go in and tell them how wonderful it is that all those books are free. The laugh will do them good.The Sanity Inspectorhttp://atlantarofters.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59738425695556210162013-08-23T17:31:10.888-05:002013-08-23T17:31:10.888-05:00and where sombreros and worship Poncho Villa.and where sombreros and worship Poncho Villa.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49298572704185066762013-08-23T17:29:59.639-05:002013-08-23T17:29:59.639-05:00And what does any of this have to do with the pric...And what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China or if Israel is in fact a white settler state which it clearly is.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-86455336527990087302013-08-23T15:26:52.366-05:002013-08-23T15:26:52.366-05:00Compassionate Conservative was always a kind of co...Compassionate Conservative was always a kind of code. To the center it meant, "That Bush fella has a heart." To the right it meant either opening up the government's wallet to help faith-based organizations with their outreach, or "tough love." It's considered compassionate on the right to preach the gospel of self-reliance, to tell others to lift themselves up by their own bootstraps - even if they don't have boots. They genuinely believe this to be sage advice that the poors simply don't understand.DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41804004253912704282013-08-23T13:31:26.830-05:002013-08-23T13:31:26.830-05:00Deportations went up under Obama, there is a huge ...Deportations went up under Obama, there is a huge fence along many parts of the southern border, border patrols have increased greatly, the budget for patrolling the border has increased greatly. Obama has consistently done what Republicans have demanded for border enforcement, but it will simply never be enough for the tea party. You could wrap the whole of the US in cellophane bubble ten feet thick and teabaggers will still refuse any type of legal status for undocumented immigrants living in the US. Full stop.linusbernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52388557227839256392013-08-23T13:23:22.702-05:002013-08-23T13:23:22.702-05:00Here is the issue in miniature: There is in my tow...<i>Here is the issue in miniature: There is in my town a soccer complex, next to which are apartment buildings full of illegals. The local soccer leagues pay registration fees to use the fields, and of course only use them when the fields are open. Not so the illegals! They hop the fences at night or out of season, tear up the fields having their own tournaments, todo gratis, por supuesto.</i><br /><br /><br />It seems those on the right have so internalized the concept of everything being completely privatized, that you can't imagine a soccer field being open to all residents. Everything has to have a fence around it, and a dollar sign attached to it. You never imagine a public commons.<br /><br /><br />In my town there is a public park. At one end there is a river. Privateers have put up a dock; it is used only by a stunt waterskiing team. The dock is roped off with a PRIVATE PROPERTY sign. Years ago, when my children were small, there was a free dock open to anyone who wanted to launch a rowboat. My kids and I fished from it from time to time. I don't know what I would have said to my kids if they'd seen the roped-off dock. "Sorry, this is a public park, maintained with my taxes, but that's a private dock."<br /><br /><br />Bullshit. In the minds of the right, the illegals are "hopping the fence" to illegally use the soccer field. When I was a kid, my small town had baseball fields we could use whenever we wanted. There were no registration fees. Just like I could walk into my local library and take out books. Sanity Inspector, could you please step back and take a look at the bigger picture, and ask yourself why everything has to be privatized?Buddy Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32840145981510774042013-08-23T12:08:14.454-05:002013-08-23T12:08:14.454-05:00Oh, you mean like the Jews that had lived in Baghd...Oh, you mean like the Jews that had lived in Baghdad since about 400BCE? How many Jews are in Iraq now? Zero? How many Arabs in Israel? A couple million? Hmm...<br />Or are we talking the Jewish communities in Akko or Eastern Jerusalem that were driven out in the early 20th century...<br /><br /><br />The only reason why there's so little persecution of Jews in the Middle East today is only because they've been ethnically cleansed out of most of the reason. <br /><br /><br />~600k Palestinian Arabs in 1948. <br />~800k Jews in 1948. <br />Only one group is refugees today because their fellow Arabs WANT them to remain as such. <br /><br /><br />Are there Arabs living of their own choice in majority-Jewish cities? YES. Was this the case during apartheid? NO.BCJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35258286292630044772013-08-23T12:02:07.993-05:002013-08-23T12:02:07.993-05:00God forbid the people already living there. Sucks ...God forbid the people already living there. Sucks to be them huh?<br /><br /><br />Israel, like the u.s., south africa, and australia created systems of racialized citizenship and apartheid. There is lots of good scholarship on the parallels.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62378143342763249432013-08-23T11:52:37.292-05:002013-08-23T11:52:37.292-05:00If Israel is a "white settler state," it...If Israel is a "white settler state," it is only because the Jews who aren't considered "white" generally had no choice of where else to go. (Hint: they were forced out or threatened with genocide.)BCJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62416642235370931292013-08-23T11:14:01.743-05:002013-08-23T11:14:01.743-05:00If that happens, then sic transit gloria mundi, an...If that happens, then <i>sic transit gloria mundi</i>, and so much for the Dream. But I doubt it'll be that way. I live and work in an area that is newly majority-black, thanks to the Great Reverse Migration, and so far people are just continuing to make their way in life, same as before.The Sanity Inspectorhttp://atlantarofters.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83937481873896435622013-08-23T11:08:39.317-05:002013-08-23T11:08:39.317-05:00The fence fixation always made me laugh too. Few f...The fence fixation always made me laugh too. Few folks talk about all the white illegals from France, Ireland, Russia, Poland, etc. who got in airplanes and overstayed their visas. Crickets. Those are good "assimilable" white people.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31191440552860898832013-08-23T11:05:06.064-05:002013-08-23T11:05:06.064-05:00That is very incisive. The Tea Party as reactionar...That is very incisive. The Tea Party as reactionary and fascist--absolutely. But the framing of them as the opposite of the imagery they channel is very provocative. Much to think about.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54402096213871518612013-08-23T11:03:20.771-05:002013-08-23T11:03:20.771-05:00I am a first generation American of Northern Europ...I am a first generation American of Northern European immigrants and I am happy to break this news to you: by 2040, the white population of the USA will be in the minority. It is this fact that is behind the current right-wing backlash in this country as the white trash pucker at the thought that then it could be their turn to sit at the back of the bus, and hoof it 5 miles to vote and hope that their id will get them into the voting booth. "As you sow, so shall you reap." Start walking.<br /><br /><br />And remember, the first settlers weren't invited here, they just showed up one day without visas and barged right in and took over and slowly but surely began with some success to eliminate the resident population; the same thing could happen again. Wouldn't that be ironic.porricnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26698617381724271572013-08-23T10:23:24.576-05:002013-08-23T10:23:24.576-05:00It is one thing to have a differing opinion about ...It is one thing to have a differing opinion about immigration, it is another to be cheering the clear desperation and sadness of an eleven year old girl whose family is being ripped apart, or cheering when a sick person is told they should just die because they aren't getting healthcare, or cheering the idea of electrocuting people with a border fence. These people are despicable monsters without conscience.linusbernnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12985249894619204252013-08-23T10:21:48.999-05:002013-08-23T10:21:48.999-05:00hmmm... crickets, eh?.
let me step in for the in...hmmm... crickets, eh?.<br /><br /><br />let me step in for the insanity specter:<br /><br /><br />"because they're BROWN, of course!"wasted dazenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10576656531519076332013-08-23T10:19:35.996-05:002013-08-23T10:19:35.996-05:00Agreed. The only problem is getting folks on the ...Agreed. The only problem is getting folks on the rolls, not worrying about "whaaaa, why are dey here!?!"TomTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-82757259368641681962013-08-23T10:18:50.471-05:002013-08-23T10:18:50.471-05:00Aggressively? What's that mean to you? Which...Aggressively? What's that mean to you? Which border? Mexican? Or *Canadian*? Whichever one (and I'm betting you didn't even think of Canadian until I typed it in front of you), it's a repulively stupid idea. It didn't work for the USSR, it wouldn't work for ours. <br /><br />As the previous poster pointed out, net immigration to our country has been about zip for the last few years. I suggest you adapt yourself to reality asap.TomTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43185099459227687862013-08-23T09:36:59.037-05:002013-08-23T09:36:59.037-05:00You're talking about a man who "stands up...You're talking about a man who "stands up" against abortion and for the so-called sanctity of marriage, but forced the woman he was having an adulterous affair with to have an abortion. Principles? Him?glenniswnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41947004010329347692013-08-23T09:34:50.486-05:002013-08-23T09:34:50.486-05:00Ellis Island immigrants were only "legal"...Ellis Island immigrants were only "legal" in the fact that there were no laws prohibited immigration at all until the 1870 - when this nation decided to discriminate against Chinese immigrants.<br /><br /><br />Anytime someone touts the "my European ancestors came here legally" crap, I have to laugh - there was no such thing as "illegal immigration" - until the Chinese Exclusion Act.glenniswnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47309805153273722892013-08-23T09:31:40.815-05:002013-08-23T09:31:40.815-05:00How do you know the people you are talking about a...How do you know the people you are talking about are "illegals"?glenniswnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24368439879986824602013-08-23T09:22:07.474-05:002013-08-23T09:22:07.474-05:00You are aware that net immigration from Mexico is ...You are aware that net immigration from Mexico is pretty much down to 0 for the last few years, right?<br /><br />I agree that illegal immigration can be an administrative problem. Securing the borders is a fine idea, which the Democrats have ALREADY agreed to. <br /><br />The real question is what to do with the illegal immigrants already here. Many of which are contributing members to society. The compassionate Christian family values answer seems to be "tear apart their families, and make their lives so miserable that they self deport". <br /><br />Okay....addicted4444noreply@blogger.com