tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post7941556973176079604..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Racial Framing and Superstorm Sandy: A Black Mother Begs for Help While Her Children DrownLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28114423838269474882014-03-18T22:08:24.095-05:002014-03-18T22:08:24.095-05:00First of all her kids weren't black nor did th...First of all her kids weren't black nor did they look it, second the home owner was in no way responsible for letting them in HIS house..though it would have been the decent thing to do, and lastly it was her fault for being out there. The evacuation order had long been given, she should have been at home or to safety by then. She had more than enough time. As a mom of color also with two biracial sons ( so im not being racist against her) she made a few bad calls that got her kids killed. Follow the emergency broadcast instructions, they are given for a reason! RIP to those poor little boyslibertinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71908883389215923152012-11-14T15:53:47.751-06:002012-11-14T15:53:47.751-06:00As per the above two comments, I'm having seco...As per the above two comments, I'm having second thoughts about this story myself. The scene: violent rain, 90mph winds, roaring floodwaters. That's loud! I can well imagine someone not hearing a woman scream over that racket, even if she's right outside. I fear our host may have fallen for something from the Too Good To Check File, where a news item so closely fits our own conception of things, we don't bother overmuch confirming it as true. Happens to all of us...The Sanity Inspectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808433661634318393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52118807061375845382012-11-14T03:02:56.381-06:002012-11-14T03:02:56.381-06:00http://www.independent.ie/national-news/surgeon-le...http://www.independent.ie/national-news/surgeon-leaves-home-after-claims-he-didnt-help-tragic-flood-family-3287042.html<br /><br />Here's a link I didn't find within your blog. This man may, in fact, be an outlier. Whether or not he was racially motivated to not help Glenda doesn't matter to me now. i would like to know what you think would be an appropriate remedy for everyone involved. Should the man's house be burned down? Should the court figure out a way to put him in jail? Should he lose his job? What can be done so that people won't feel like he got away with murder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83721773523223392682012-11-14T02:49:48.947-06:002012-11-14T02:49:48.947-06:00I'm confused by the race issue. The last name ...I'm confused by the race issue. The last name "Ferretti" doesn't strike me as a caucasian name. I read that this man has been forced to leave his home due to the harassment from people who blame him for not helping Glenda Moore. I want to understand what anyone thinks might have happened differently if the man had been able to call and GET THROUGH To 911--which was getting 10,000 calls per hour instead of their usual 1000 calls per hour. Was I the only one who saw the news reports that said that 911 was overwhelmed and people who had real emergencies were not able to get through? I have not read any reports that say the man had a boat, a cell phone, a flash light, or was a powerful swimmer. Amnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34921109796899608042012-11-12T14:03:50.000-06:002012-11-12T14:03:50.000-06:00Let this serve as a painful reminder to those blac...Let this serve as a painful reminder to those blacks that have hope that the white race can change. <br /><br />Whites are the most destructive force on the planet. When I heard of this story, I felt sick. But this should be a warning to all:<br /><br />Whites are not our friends. Never have been and never will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19761062332037762502012-11-08T23:15:43.877-06:002012-11-08T23:15:43.877-06:00CDV, you leveld the charges. It's up to you to...CDV, you leveld the charges. It's up to you to prove them. My issue is something I learned from Stokely Carmichael many moons ago: the amount of time we focus on actions of individual racists (alleged or actual) versus institutionalized white supremacy, e.g. the subprime mortgage crisis.<br /><br />[According to a comprehensive report from the nonprofit group, United for a Fair Economy, over the past eight years the total loss of wealth for people of color is between $164 billion and $213 billion, for subprime loans which is the greatest loss of wealth for people of color in modern history: <br />“According to federal data, people of color are three times more likely to have subprime loans: high-cost loans account for 55 per cent of loans to blacks, but only 17 per cent of loans to whites”. If there had been equitable distribution of subprime loans, losses for white people would be 44.5 per cent higher and losses for people of color would be about 24 per cent lower. “This is evidence of systemic prejudice and institutional racism.”<br /><br />Before the current crisis, based on improvements in median household net worth, it would take 594 more years for blacks to achieve parity with whites. The current crisis is likely to stretch this even further.]-- Pam Martens<br /><br />Likely is an understatement. The interesting thing about the loss of wealth calculated here is that the article was written in Feb/2008, six months before 9/15. Given the explosion of foreclosures after 9/15 how much wealth have Afrikan Americans now lost? This is one the most critical issues Afrikan American have faced this century, and it’s now even being discussed. But let one of these political Neanderthals say something about Michelle Obama’s butt and we’re up in arms. SMHmakheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76997384415930636172012-11-07T15:10:23.387-06:002012-11-07T15:10:23.387-06:00@IM. Don't know. I would say expect more of th...@IM. Don't know. I would say expect more of the same. We shall see though.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45576145458718684122012-11-07T14:59:01.302-06:002012-11-07T14:59:01.302-06:00So Chauncey, you never responded to my query above...So Chauncey, you never responded to my query above. Do you think President Obama is going to fully address race in America now that he's in four the next four years or will he continue to duck and dodge it only using it for purposes of political expediency? I mean he could force a lot of painful but much needed conversations if he wanted to?<br /><br />What say ye? Invisible Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615524438949539565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32713419573691974622012-11-07T14:39:31.536-06:002012-11-07T14:39:31.536-06:00@MB. You can be his neighbor and advocate. Do some...@MB. You can be his neighbor and advocate. Do some research about that community, contact him, and then come back and report. You are bright, I think you understand the deep and systemic stereotypes about black and brown people in this country. Moreover, I think you understand whiteness and racial microaggressions. <br /><br />In short, you are comparing apples and donuts in this case when you want to conflate a claim about white racial attitudes and the notions of community in regards to black people, and a critical reading of those dynamics as somehow being at all similar.<br /><br />What is your dog in this fight? Do you know the coward?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9440382818620295162012-11-07T07:43:26.891-06:002012-11-07T07:43:26.891-06:00You have not presented specific evidence about him...You have not presented specific evidence about him; only generalizations about his community. <br /><br />I repeat: What’s the difference between CDV and white supremacists who make sociological assumptions about Afrikan Americans based on their phenotype, communities, families, etc.?makheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83047643481592838622012-11-07T00:45:40.108-06:002012-11-07T00:45:40.108-06:00@Makheru. I am right and the evidence is in suppor...@Makheru. I am right and the evidence is in support of my position and conclusions. Follow some of those links. It ain't rocket science. I am making assumptions about his behavior based on the context of what I know about his neighborhood and its norms. If he is an outlier so be it. I deal in the meaty part of the distribution. chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47926335625316752012-11-06T23:55:05.954-06:002012-11-06T23:55:05.954-06:00CDV, I understand how white supremacy driven by et...CDV, I understand how white supremacy driven by ethnocentrism and xenophobia works. I understand its ethos and asili. <br /><br />The police are part of an institution, thus their activities, homicides, brutality, profiling, patterns of behavior etc. can be documented.<br /><br />You’re making sociological assumptions about this man because he is white. What’s the difference between CDV and white supremacists who make sociological assumptions about Afrikan Americans based on their phenotype, communities, families, etc.?Makheru Bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588523695785525220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47775217325882375042012-11-06T10:05:13.892-06:002012-11-06T10:05:13.892-06:00@mb. white supremacy does not work that way, nor h...@mb. white supremacy does not work that way, nor has it always. implicit bias is real. check out some of the work on it. there is a matrix of power relationships where we all play a role. that man did not have to consciously say I will not let a black person in my house; it could have been an instinct, especially based on his lies about the situation where "two big men" were out there with her. <br /><br />another example would be how police are faster by seconds to judge a black person without a gun as holding one, or alternatively to honestly "believe" that harmless objects held by black and brown people are guns. this has lethal results. Those results have been replicated with white test takers more generally. chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16912881561542087302012-11-06T07:08:19.404-06:002012-11-06T07:08:19.404-06:00Her skin tone is brown/black and she was within an...Her skin tone is brown/black and she was within an unfriendly enclave, isn’t that suggestive enough?—Sage<br /><br />Not in my opinion. If you are going to focus on white supremacy at the individual level, rather than the organizational or institutional level you have to prove that individual was motivated by white supremacy.makheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35674256898311435392012-11-06T04:55:31.292-06:002012-11-06T04:55:31.292-06:00It might not be so fantastic, Professor, White peo...It might not be so fantastic, Professor, White people missing out on a good opportunity to help White people. Don't underestimate the fearful, selfish attitude of the typical prosperous White person. It is widely known that the world is not devoid of White thugs and junkies. <br /><br />It's old news, but long ago I carried the mail in Jamaica, Queens, for a couple of years, both north and south of Jamaica Avenue. People north of Jamaica Avenue, a prosperous White neighborhood, never opened their doors for me, even if I was holding up a piece of registered mail. I was not the regular carrier, and I was in my early-twenties, with long hair. Ooops, danger. <br /><br />The other side of this coin, as I hinted above, was that south of Jamaica Avenue, in the Black neighborhoods that varied from poor to prosperous, I found a general welcome, warm and fraternal, which I still deeply appreciate. <br /><br />But yeah, this unfortunate woman's chances were hurt by her Blackness, even. fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4397856107542667642012-11-05T21:19:09.558-06:002012-11-05T21:19:09.558-06:00@Sanity. Review what I wrote; no where did I say t...@Sanity. Review what I wrote; no where did I say that there were not white rescuers. Up your game.<br /><br />I am focused on one neighborhood, where other people heard her crying and did nothing too, in what is a very segregated community. You can delude yourself into thinking that if this poor woman were white the white folks in that neighborhood would have likely treated her the same way. I do not live in such a fantastical universe.<br /><br />Black equaled stranger equaled looter.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90386429131449020532012-11-05T19:58:44.629-06:002012-11-05T19:58:44.629-06:00...and before you use this one homeowner to stigma......and before you use this one homeowner to stigmatize all white people, spend some time looking at pictures of the relief volunteers, in the days and weeks to come.The Sanity Inspectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808433661634318393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55791352641449581332012-11-05T19:57:55.087-06:002012-11-05T19:57:55.087-06:00Shame on the homeowner for refusing her refuge. B...Shame on the homeowner for refusing her refuge. But don't, as some did in Katrina, hate on the emergency services, for not coming out in the middle of the hurricane.The Sanity Inspectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808433661634318393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5031780264188252782012-11-05T14:54:15.322-06:002012-11-05T14:54:15.322-06:00"The "one drop" rule is real in Ame..."The "one drop" rule is real in American society. For example, while some white folks are confused (and even offended) by Barack Obama's claim to a black identity, this tragic event is more proof that in this society African Americans of a "mixed race" background are still stigmatized by their blackness."<br /><br />Here's how it works in white people's minds: if a black person accomplishes something, it's because they have white ancestry. If a black person fucks up, it's because they're black.Cavoyonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33173816188516747052012-11-05T12:41:38.125-06:002012-11-05T12:41:38.125-06:00W.E.B. Dubois said the problem of the 20 Century i...W.E.B. Dubois said the problem of the 20 Century is the color line. <br /><br />In the 21 Century, the color line as turned into the largest and always expanding fault line in the country. <br /><br />Because white America continues to get to deal with race on their own terms and when they chose to deal with it. While us Black folks must discover and negotiate mind fields of all sizes, almost every day, because white folks will not assists us in cleaning up what these weapons of mass destruction. Needless to say many of us die and are maimed from them <br /><br />But, let me doff my cap to our gentile host for this brilliant essay. <br /><br />However again, Mr. Devega cannot help but use this tragedy in to service of his dear Liege President Obama by superfluously tossing in a bard about Romney and FEMA. <br /><br />So let me then sally forth( from the cheap seats) this Presidential observation. It has been reported that over the last four years, America has gotten more "racists" against Black people. Could that be the fault of President Obama for not only never addressing race and forcing America to finally grapple and confront "the mess" borrowing a term from Samuel Beckett, that keeps us stuck in the tar pits. <br /><br />But, further, P using poor Black people as political fodder to gain white support, which clearly has been at best a poor investment and at worst catastrophic. <br /><br />Maybe Obama's cynical and political handling of race will be one of his major legacy's of his Presidency???<br /><br />Hotep good people, remember we are not safe. Invisible Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615524438949539565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75442407557408619682012-11-05T10:09:49.102-06:002012-11-05T10:09:49.102-06:00"Anonymous, granted, perhaps it wasn’t the sm..."Anonymous, granted, perhaps it wasn’t the smartest thing to do what Glenda did. However, are you then attempting to passively justify the immoral actions by the homeowner? Or, should I say, his INACTION?" - Black Sage<br /><br />Given the conditions during the storm, the woman's crazed behavior, and the fact that her children were already lost I think it's presumptuous to accuse the homeowner of immorality for not helping her. Even if they had phone service at the time, which is questionable, 911 would not have been able to respond during the height of the storm. Let's not project guilt onto the homeowner for the mother's tragic mistakes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79586484410962157842012-11-05T05:55:30.181-06:002012-11-05T05:55:30.181-06:00"Do you think white people don't get mist..."Do you think white people don't get mistreated in predominately black neighborhoods?" <br /><br />Not by the regular folks they don't, no, count on it. And the thugerific Black youth who might abuse a White visitor will cheerfully abuse the regular Black folk who live there, count on that too. <br /><br />This shit is not simple. It's like the English language: even where there are rules, the exceptions soon overpower the rules. fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80380736305282061892012-11-05T04:35:49.124-06:002012-11-05T04:35:49.124-06:00This would not be about race if you did not try to...This would not be about race if you did not try to make it all about race. You are reaching hard to find anything to support your "victim" argument. Do you think white people don't get mistreated in predominately black neighbourhoods? Do you think white people are welcomed with open arms in Latino neighbourhoods? You are part of the problem trying to make race a constant issue. Start looking at people as people and not skin colour. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76109598933728118492012-11-05T01:06:21.595-06:002012-11-05T01:06:21.595-06:00PS It was the above CNN report that I saw. PS It was the above CNN report that I saw. Nebrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05974591864059776528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79591729969041224562012-11-05T01:01:47.315-06:002012-11-05T01:01:47.315-06:00Ahhh, I wondered what was up with that.
I saw a T...Ahhh, I wondered what was up with that.<br /><br />I saw a TV newscast where Allen actually spoke on camera and he claimed it was 'a man' who tried to break in. Allen seemed nervous and is a small framed while male, one who could easily be called 'wimp'. So I can see how his fear would project a hysterical black female as a 'dangerous male'.<br /><br />I got the feeling that he is now consumed with guilt, so his racism has victimized himself along with killing those two children and likely destroying their mother's life. *sigh*<br /><br />Needless to say, the report did not mention that Glenda Moore was black. More 'post-racialism' at work.Nebrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05974591864059776528noreply@blogger.com