tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post7589343601092810950..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Tales of a Race-Baiting Mormon: The Personal and Political Hypocrisy of Mitt RomneyLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31053691839333682672012-08-02T16:22:58.659-05:002012-08-02T16:22:58.659-05:00"The latter may come this fall to guarantee h..."The latter may come this fall to guarantee his re-election"<br /><br />I'm rarely surprised these days but I will be if that *doesn't* happen. However, I believe there will need to be some nonsensical "straw that broke the camel's back" event to get more emotional bang out of it, since the war drums have been beating so monotonously for so long that, minus a melodramatic tweak or two in the script, an all-out attack, at this point, would be anticlimactic. Stoning a beautiful young virgin on YouTube? "Western" Hostages (beautiful young ones)? There aren't many options on the table.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36029786732483872212012-07-29T21:48:12.062-05:002012-07-29T21:48:12.062-05:00Do you want to suggest that there is no difference...Do you want to suggest that there is no difference between the 2 candidates?—CDV<br /><br />Quite to the contrary, I think that a second term, more unrestrained Barack Obama will be much more dangerous for anyone concerned about peace and justice.<br /><br />Obama is the most brilliant stroke of disguised hypocrisy in American political history. The oligarchic psychopathocracy will never have a better tool in their hands. The Republican establishment knew this in 2008. That’s why Bush did everything possible to sabotage McCain.<br /><br />Some of these entertainers are saying a second term Obama will go gangsta. He’s already an international gangster, but be careful what you wish for. Going even more gangsta will probably include an attack on entitlements and an attack on Iran. The latter may come this fall to guarantee his re-election.makheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13020100741667267552012-07-28T18:48:19.612-05:002012-07-28T18:48:19.612-05:00@chaunceydevega:
I'm am not trying to exhau...@chaunceydevega: <br /><br />I'm am not trying to exhaust anyone: I asked for simple answers to simple questions and charges made by you. <br /><br />If I recall correctly, you have long stressed that context matters. So asking for it shouldn't be "naive".<br /><br />I don't believe Romney has any connection to birthers, secret Muslim, etc. (taking money from Trump does not mean he believes everything Trump believes, any more than Obama taking money from drug lords would make him an addict).<br /><br />I would appreciate the other quotes you cite (just so we are looking at the same words). I am unable to find a USA Today op ed by Romney. <br /><br />I'm not contesting basic facts: I am attempting to see that we are looking at the same ones.OTBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37008462752220794962012-07-28T17:33:52.934-05:002012-07-28T17:33:52.934-05:00@OTB. If you can't see it I can't help you...@OTB. If you can't see it I can't help you. You are trying to engage in a conversation about serious matters where you win by exhausting those with whom you speak. You want us to sketch out obvious matters and by contesting all of the most basic facts you demonstrate your claim. It isn't "winning" it is exhausting. <br /><br />I would suggest reading some of Romney's speeches and interviews where he says Obama can't understand America (I wonder why...hmmm; also check out the USA Today American exceptionalism editorial by Romney), review the Birther Tea Party Obama is a secret Muslim mess, and then read what Sununu, a Romney surrogate said last week.<br /><br />If you remain so naive about the nature of politics I would suggest coming into the real world. The light can be blinding at first. You do get used to it after a while though.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29364137921674136612012-07-28T17:12:30.052-05:002012-07-28T17:12:30.052-05:00@chaunceydevega,
What is naive about asking peop...@chaunceydevega, <br /><br />What is naive about asking people to be judged by their own words and the full context of same?<br /><br />What is naive about my words above?<br /><br />@Black Sage,<br /><br />What was "racially toned" about the comments from this "adviser", and is it possible that Romney has better things to do than apologize every time somebody claims somebody else's words are "offensive"?OTBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46046038059171537202012-07-28T16:44:16.074-05:002012-07-28T16:44:16.074-05:00Would it be fair to rate both candidates based on ...Would it be fair to rate both candidates based on their own words, rather than the words of "advisers", often taken out of context (and sometimes those "advisers" are not even named)? <br /><br />There's enough tarring and feathering going on without outsourcing guilt for comments to people who are not even the issue.<br /><br />@OTB,<br />I hope you’re smarter than to believe that a political “un-named adviser” would place a US presidential candidate’s standing at risk by blurting a racially toned statement without prior approval from Romney himself. Huh! Even further, Romney has given many interviews since these statements were made and not once did he utter a denouncement of these comments and that he’ll investigate this issue and have this “”un-named adviser” immediately terminated. His weak response is suspicious enough to point a finger directly at him. Give me a break; Romney is well aware of whom this individual is that made these comments. After all, Romney isn’t running for the lofty position of the local High School Presidency. -Black SageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31650765539679779402012-07-28T14:27:55.812-05:002012-07-28T14:27:55.812-05:00@OTB. Don't be so naive.@OTB. Don't be so naive.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43869883149581436292012-07-28T14:16:42.521-05:002012-07-28T14:16:42.521-05:00@chaunceydevega
1) What did Romney himself say?
...@chaunceydevega<br /><br />1) What did Romney himself say?<br /><br />2) What is the full context of the quote from this "unnamed adviser"?<br /><br />3) Romney has been ripped to shreds for honestly answering a direct question from Brian Williams, an answer that reflected what the British media had already suggested.<br /><br />True, both sides have surrogates. Both sides are misquoted and taken out of context. The bottom line should be what each candidate personally says, and the full context in which it is said.OTBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87069434681936351082012-07-28T13:43:27.988-05:002012-07-28T13:43:27.988-05:00@OTB. On this level those "unnamed advisers&q...@OTB. On this level those "unnamed advisers" are the real mouth pieces.<br /><br />They can push talking points and allow a candidate to say, "me? I would never do or say such a thing!" Plus, that adviser's talking point was consistent with Romney's game plan to date. It is totally fair game.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69008656302389590352012-07-28T12:51:36.776-05:002012-07-28T12:51:36.776-05:00Would it be fair to rate both candidates based on ...Would it be fair to rate both candidates based on their own words, rather than the words of "advisers", often taken out of context (and sometimes those "advisers" are not even named)? <br /><br />There's enough tarring and feathering going on without outsourcing guilt for comments to people who are not even the issue.OTBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79989753756251403812012-07-28T07:32:59.354-05:002012-07-28T07:32:59.354-05:00The irony is so ironically ironic!
Obama Supporte...The irony is so ironically ironic!<br /><br />Obama Supporter Interviews Her 2008 Self<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WbX5EwSp_W8nomadhttp://ironymous.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62532660355843470412012-07-27T19:03:15.087-05:002012-07-27T19:03:15.087-05:00"Nomad,
Really your spin on Obama is extreme..."Nomad,<br /><br />Really your spin on Obama is extreme"<br /><br />Appropriately so, don't you think? No?<br />Well, 10 years from now when the ship of state has finally run aground by the cabal, black Americans will be wondering "How could we have been so gullible?!!!"nomadhttp://ironymous.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53367013422232195012012-07-27T17:28:06.183-05:002012-07-27T17:28:06.183-05:00Hi CD, Presidential Wishful Candidate Romney’s sta...Hi CD, Presidential Wishful Candidate Romney’s statement above is merely his latest attempt to shore-up support for his lagging campaign efforts. Silly Wabbit! Moreover, I’m not so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt simply because he doesn’t deserve it. Mitt fits the description of what you see, is what you get. Another dumb-ass Republican who believes that the more you insinuate through colorful statements that African Americans are the root of this country’s social problems, the likelihood of him becoming the next US president simultaneously increases as well. What a winning strategy!! - Black SageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37677521002964823412012-07-27T16:31:52.686-05:002012-07-27T16:31:52.686-05:00I'm actually willing to give Romney the benefi...I'm actually willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt...and assume he's not so dumb as to display (overtly) racist beliefs, tendencies, or attitudes.Beyond-The-Spectrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05667211181316579607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6392611265222155532012-07-27T06:49:34.632-05:002012-07-27T06:49:34.632-05:00The difference between the candidates is real. Rom...The difference between the candidates is real. Romney will be tougher on the poor and middleclasses, no doubt. The trade off would be, should he prevail, a reawakening of the progressive opposition that Obama has anesthetized. Both candidates are headed in the same direction: war, dismantling the New Deal/Great Society, and imposition of the police state and surrender to corporatism. The difference? Romney is forthright about his goals. Obama is deceptive. He's also more effective because his bait and switch ruse neutralizes any defense against his noxious policies.<br /><br />Anyway, disparate persecuted groups do not necessarily support and identify with each other. For example, the black community is not notable for its support for gay marriage. The racism Romney seems to exhibit at times is a part of white culture at large and is a prominent feature of the Mormon religion. Don't they believe that blacks are a cursed race or some such s**t? <br /><br />Romney might have the details wrong. Perhaps Barama is not literally a foreigner. But he is a part of a criminal cabal that has taken over the government. That makes him, along with the people who engineered his ascendance to the presidency, anathema to democracy and hence, in an ideological sense, foreign.nomadhttp://ironymous.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-38859312076735803182012-07-26T23:13:47.478-05:002012-07-26T23:13:47.478-05:00@mb. great and fun word play. do you want to sugge...@mb. great and fun word play. do you want to suggest that there is no difference between the 2 candidates?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32578775734550557112012-07-26T22:14:22.919-05:002012-07-26T22:14:22.919-05:00[When asked about his background, which includes a...[When asked about his background, which includes a black father and white mother, Obama said of African-Americans: "We are sort of a mongrel people." "I mean we're all kinds of mixed up," Obama said. "That's actually true of white people as well, but we just know more about it." The president's remarks were directed at the roots of all Americans. The definition of mongrel as an adjective is defined as "of mixed breed, nature, or origin," according to dictionary.com]<br /><br />I actually have not heard anyone use the term “mongrel” to describe Afrikan Americans other than white supremacists. He also describes himself as a mutt.<br /><br />“There are a number of breeds that are hypoallergenic, but on the other hand our preference is to get a shelter dog, but obviously, a lot of the shelter dogs are mutts like me,” Obama said.<br /><br />So the two-party system has given the American body-politic a choice between a mongrel and a race-baiting Mormon.makheru bradeynoreply@blogger.com