tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post7518933938389090196..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: The New Moral Panic: Seduction of the Innocents Part 2? Did the Batman Films and Comics Inspire the Colorado Movie Massacre?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15796435617143367382012-07-22T16:06:44.307-05:002012-07-22T16:06:44.307-05:00On this point I have a comment. I've always b...On this point I have a comment. I've always been a fan of Batman, from the old 70s batman show (man catwoman was hot on that show!). I've never read the comics though. Later, I watched all the movies, and even the old 90s Batman the Animated Series which was a really cool cartoon.<br /><br />In the 70s show the bad guys never actually killed anyone on screen. It was not the sort of sadistic violence you saw in the last Batman movie where the Joker blows up half of Gotham and kills Batman's girlfriend and Batman still saves him from falling off the building in the end (that really pissed me off). That kind of sadistic violence being glorified by the movie is not good, and having Batman save him sent the wrong message. Joker should have fell off the building and died. After all, in the first modern movie, he let Resh al-Ghoul go down with the crashing train and die. The badguy should get their comeupins!!!!<br /><br />Now the cartoon, of course Joker always got away and sometimes he used laughing gas to make someone permanently insane but I don't remember anyone being killed. Plus, it was a freaking cartoon!<br /><br />But when you make a movie with live actors glorifying sadistic murder -- that is not good for society. After watching the previous Batman movie I decided I would not watch the 3rd one and nobody could pay me enough to make me watch it! (This decision was long before the shooting.) I can't spend my money on a franchise that glorifies sadistict murderers and has the hero save them from tripping and falling off a building and getting their just comeuppins right after they killed his girlfriend! Its insane!<br /><br />--a white guyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-56710125072737389502012-07-22T13:30:37.540-05:002012-07-22T13:30:37.540-05:00“President Barack Obama travels to Colorado on Sun...“President Barack Obama travels to Colorado on Sunday to meet families bereaved after a shooting rampage at a movie theater in a Denver suburb that killed at least 12 people and wounded 58.”<br /><br />Sadly the atrocity in Aurora is comparable to one week of violence in Chicago—272 murders through 6/30/12, about 10.5 per week; 1,207shootings through 6/30/12, about 49per week. <br /><br />Has the POTUS met with any families in his own hometown Chicago?<br /><br />Certain lives obviously have more value than othersmakheru bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70192159781268592572012-07-22T09:13:32.402-05:002012-07-22T09:13:32.402-05:00Sorry bout that saturday night tequila that seeped...Sorry bout that saturday night tequila that seeped through the keys CDV..., no disrespect toward host or house intended.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-38813366259894951982012-07-22T04:28:49.534-05:002012-07-22T04:28:49.534-05:00You are not witty, Sir, nor especially intelligent...You are not witty, Sir, nor especially intelligent, though your Negrophobia inspires, occasionally, my bemused pity! <br /><br />Have a happy, second-stringer!A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9764299252421262642012-07-21T21:28:06.707-05:002012-07-21T21:28:06.707-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34879344896561031282012-07-21T12:11:12.611-05:002012-07-21T12:11:12.611-05:00Speaking of Carl Jung...
As it happens, one of th...Speaking of Carl Jung...<br /><br />As it happens, one of the leaders of the Pro-Joker Doctoral Candidate Club, with whom I tangled, on the subject, in 2008, posted this (on his blog) on July 9th, 2012:<br /><br />"I’ve ruined my life two ways: firstly by trying to make dysfunctional romances work, and secondly by earning an extremely futile Ph.D. in English. I take full responsibility for both choices, although I believe that in a better society, the Ph.D. at least would have meant a little more."<br /><br />Tell me there's ZERO correlation. The Joker, very much like the Holy Spirit of an earlier mind-control meme, manifests Himself in many places at once, apparently. It's just that some Believers are Truer (or closer to the edge) than others...A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47355270101861455942012-07-21T11:40:32.890-05:002012-07-21T11:40:32.890-05:00(erratum: "choose")(erratum: "choose")A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4772913840203820852012-07-21T11:39:23.337-05:002012-07-21T11:39:23.337-05:00"I'm highly offended by your attempt to c..."I'm highly offended by your attempt to correlate education with a predisposition for atrocities."<br /><br />A) no such attempt was made B) never skim before flaming.<br /><br />You drove a high-speed slalom around every qualifier in my comment in order to slam into the concrete post of My Actual Point with your Literal-Minded-Ice-Cream truck. Congratulations! <br /><br />Allow me to finish the sentence you semi-cited: "...which is to say, it's not the baffling paradox it's being presented as."<br /><br />My actual (gleanable from context) point was that some people with attributes/stats matching some of those of the perp have expressed a *passionate* interest in a comic book character the perp essentially dedicated his bloody rampage to. <br /><br />"Low-functioning" perps are not interesting (in the context of my comment); the "higher-functioners" cited are of interest... for obvious reasons (see originally-cited pseudo-paradox). Would you like that in a Venn diagram? <br /><br />Heath Ledger's The Joker was very popular (a quasi-intellectual obsession, even) with a certain kind of White Boy in 2008 (as well as with others... uh: before your problem with subsets kicks in again). In 2012 that obsession would seem to have born fruit. Implicate yourself if you chose to.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42761018412565890962012-07-21T11:12:41.253-05:002012-07-21T11:12:41.253-05:00Steven Augustine: "I'm not a bit surprise...Steven Augustine: "I'm not a bit surprised that the shooter was (or had been) in the running for a PhD" <br /><br />I'm highly offended by your attempt to correlate education with a predisposition for atrocities. Your argument hinges on the explicit characters of "white", "male", "intelligent" and "radical/cynical." There are countless examples of exactly that sort of individual who regularly commit crimes of oppression and dehumanization who are not high functioning enough to navigate academia.rkrhttp://www.pdx.edu/biology/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1241410186661772202012-07-21T08:58:57.864-05:002012-07-21T08:58:57.864-05:00Someday we may realize that the founding father we...Someday we may realize that the founding father were wrong about a great many things as it concerned the mentality of the nascent country it was attempting to start, including the right to bear arms. Their intend was to be able to call up a citizen army for common defense, but the people wanted, and still want, the individual right to kill.<br /><br />These sort of incidents will be with us forever.brotherbrownhttp://www.digitalsoulbrother.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22649504505522398452012-07-21T06:37:13.851-05:002012-07-21T06:37:13.851-05:00PPS Oh, and: I'm not a bit surprised that the ...PPS Oh, and: I'm not a bit surprised that the shooter was (or had been) in the running for a PhD; which is to say, it's not the baffling paradox it's being presented as. "The Joker" (with whom the shooter identified) represented a certain kind of destructive-but- *intelligent* (radical/ cynical) male power. This certain kind of male power is often fetishized, *intellectually*, by a certain kind of young(ish) white male who sometimes acquires this male power, in a prosthetic form, via "hip hop" and Shooter Games/Comix ... and sometimes, IRL, via guns.<br /><br />Way back when, I had rhetorical scuffles (on the Valve and elsewhere) with all kinds of young male academics and Doctoral Candidates who considered Heath Ledger's Joker some kind of Existentialist Hero (while I argued that their admiration was juvenile and that Nolan's movie was Bushite propaganda). <br /><br />Well, that psychological chicken has surely come home to roost, no? But I doubt the original partisans will bother to deconstruct those old threads... (and, to nip your possible quibbles in the bud: no, I don't think censorship is the *answer*; but I think a close-reading of the psychologies involved is a reasonable *response*)<br /><br />http://www.thevalve.org/go/valve/article/the_raw_critic_the_dark_knight/A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4334516627808412122012-07-21T03:35:52.798-05:002012-07-21T03:35:52.798-05:00As two commenters just put it on HuffPo (a NormLib...As two commenters just put it on HuffPo (a NormLib site I usually avoid):<br /><br />"If this is true (I'm not denying it, but listen to me further), somebody in the mainstream media needs to report it on the television too. This couple has been all over the news and not one word has been mentioned about this young man. Reporters have mentioned over and over again that he proposed, but nothing has been mentioned about the background of what happened and the woman has said NOTHING about this young man helping her. Nothing."<br /><br />and<br /><br />"EXACTLY!!!! Just saw them on Pierce Morgan...and she said NOTHING about this man risking her life for her and her children...whilde her "man" sat there and tried to rationalize putting his 4 month old child DOWN to save his OWN but...and DRIVING AWAY form the theater to boot. Not a WORD about Jarrell helping her out. She sure found time to speak of him asking to marry her. I bet you will NEVER hear Jarell's story on national televison...it would no fit the narrative of the SAVAGE young black men image the media loves to EXPLOIT."A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2741758059323385622012-07-21T03:31:28.881-05:002012-07-21T03:31:28.881-05:00Sidebar: I certainly hope that Jarell Brooks will ...Sidebar: I certainly hope that Jarell Brooks will not be downplayed on Big Media. The word "hero" is doled out to everybody who comes within 100 meters of a dumpster fire these days, but brother Mr Brooks actually put himself in harm's way (and got shot for it) helping a lady with her kids... while the lady's square-jawed fiance was actually fleeing the scene in the family chariot! Now that's a story with everything in it.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68585779773347233342012-07-21T00:51:32.945-05:002012-07-21T00:51:32.945-05:00@All. Just saw it twice back to back. So much to s...@All. Just saw it twice back to back. So much to say. I am wondering how many of the more popular reviewers could be hating on this classic. In Nolan's film universe I am struggling say that the Joker is > than Bane. Both are so close.<br /><br />What did folks think of the ending?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16182723555463227142012-07-20T21:01:24.797-05:002012-07-20T21:01:24.797-05:00I grew up in Aurora and used to go to that theater...I grew up in Aurora and used to go to that theater all the time with my mom. I was planning on seeing the movie, but now it's up for more discussion. The events have affected me more than I initially thought.<br /><br />If only an honest discussion on gun control were possible.vintagepeugeothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12403914870966878526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71966265302266474932012-07-20T18:18:45.585-05:002012-07-20T18:18:45.585-05:00I thought you caught the midnight showing. It is a...I thought you caught the midnight showing. It is a MUST SEE and I am going again tonight. The colorado incident is unfortunate but folk are just crazy. Question, why isn't this killer considered a terrorist?<br /><br />MBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45235618357683234252012-07-20T16:03:37.095-05:002012-07-20T16:03:37.095-05:00Thing is, in Murkka, now, it's just a sport.Thing is, in Murkka, now, it's just a sport.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77561151523831673882012-07-20T16:00:40.470-05:002012-07-20T16:00:40.470-05:0012 dead and 70 odd wounded is just another day in ...12 dead and 70 odd wounded is just another day in a dozen or more countries around the world. What makes us so fucking special?Nebrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05974591864059776528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-84562987929062383052012-07-20T15:40:35.846-05:002012-07-20T15:40:35.846-05:00CD
"I am more of a Marvel fan and love me so...CD<br /><br />"I am more of a Marvel fan and love me some Punisher, who by the way would destroy the Batman inmao."<br /><br />Berni Wrightson-era Swamp Thing was pretty hip (and does anyone remember Kirby's "The Demon" for DC?) but, otherwise, yeah... Marvel. (Jim Starlin's Captain Marvel/ Thanos cycle was a masterpiece)A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35332924422754098612012-07-20T15:07:22.876-05:002012-07-20T15:07:22.876-05:00And no this will not stop me from seeing The Dark ...And no this will not stop me from seeing The Dark Knight Rises. In fact I hope to leave shortly to catch the 6:20 show....Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15951466478793225942012-07-20T15:06:27.022-05:002012-07-20T15:06:27.022-05:00If it is silly to attempt to limit first amendment...If it is silly to attempt to limit first amendment protections because of what some nut might do then isn't it just as silly to try to limit 2nd amendment protections?<br /><br />One is "software" and the other is "hardware". <br /><br />But we have to freedom to arm ourselves and the freedom to take in twisted ideas. I don't think either one of those things will change anytime soon.Shady_Gradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00996625985002373392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63672864742188572492012-07-20T14:37:59.579-05:002012-07-20T14:37:59.579-05:00@Steve. Guns don't kill people. People do ;)
...@Steve. Guns don't kill people. People do ;)<br /><br />I am more of a Marvel fan and love me some Punisher, who by the way would destroy the Batman inmao.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-64687753478161925892012-07-20T14:35:32.008-05:002012-07-20T14:35:32.008-05:00Q: Why did he kill all those people?
A: Because h...Q: Why did he kill all those people?<br /><br />A: Because he could.<br /><br />But, yeah... uh, how does it go again? "Guns don't kill people..."? (which is puzzling because killing is what guns are designed to do)<br /><br />Re: Batman: never bought it. Rich guy with no special powers dresses up like a bat? DC nonsense.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.com