tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post6928396933964213398..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Victimology Blues Part 1: What About Our Daughters?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83160606866176822532009-11-06T15:54:16.693-06:002009-11-06T15:54:16.693-06:00You're barking up the wrong tree, Anonymous. ...You're barking up the wrong tree, Anonymous. I wrote Parts 1 and 2well after the case was dropped. "Them" was meant to refer to the lacrosse team AND the hooker.<br /><br />There were no heroes in this story, and those who threw their blind support behind the team and the accuser were fools.gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49298589263231544342009-02-12T18:37:00.000-06:002009-02-12T18:37:00.000-06:00I can't help but notice you never got around to wr...I can't help but notice you never got around to writing part 3 of this series: "Victimology Blues Part 3: The Racist Duke Lacrosse Team, the Hooker, and the Suckers Who Blindly Supported Them."<BR/><BR/>I guess after the facts came out you kinda clammed up! Maybe you could just change the title to "Victimology Blues Part 3: The Duke Lacrosse Team, the Hooker, and the Racist Suckers Who Blindly Supported Her."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57630392195981597112008-01-30T00:17:00.000-06:002008-01-30T00:17:00.000-06:00neon, how is WAOD nihilist, they fight for what th...neon, how is WAOD nihilist, they fight for what they believe in!<BR/>just another internet ike turnerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-86858338660544684712007-12-21T09:43:00.000-06:002007-12-21T09:43:00.000-06:00Not that Gina needs any defending but I'm confused...Not that Gina needs any defending but I'm confused with this need to characterize her as a "public scold." I suspect that my blog would fall into a similar category because we both are trying to center the Black image which has been overwrought with minstrelsy. I do have problems with Black folk (male or female) being indoctrinated as "victims" at every turn so I differ with McCauley in that regard but her general efforts must be applauded. We need to fight for expanded imagery and we must also stop "high-fiving" the negative aesthetics that currently permeate our culture. Someone has to start to address the negative imagery because it DOES effect us in real life..."perception is reality" comes to mind.<BR/><BR/>http://www.afronerd.com<BR/>http://www.afronerdradio.comafronerdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02032753505258699541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36643950061998360142007-12-20T12:35:00.000-06:002007-12-20T12:35:00.000-06:00I also agree with Gordon. I really don't think hum...I also agree with Gordon. I really don't think humanitarian organizations act the way WAOD does. Humanitarian organizations most definitey speak to or have contact with someone involved with the people they are trying to help. The contact might not be the victims, but they might be their lawyers, spokesperson, family, teachers, other activists who know the victims etc in order to protect the victims. They don't just say "Something horrible happened to you so I declare it a crime against humanity. If its a crime against humanity then I don't have to ask you what you want or respect any of your wishes. I can just choose what I think is right for you because I'm obviously more capable of handling your life and making decisions for you than you are." That is extreme arrogance! <BR/><BR/>I ask anyone here to find an organization or humanitarian group who is trying to help one or more people but has never had contact with ANYONE who has had contact with the victims. You see, she answered my question just now, she doesn't actually have any contact with the rape victim! Essence magazine should know about that. <BR/><BR/>What an opportunist! Thats worse than Sharpon and Jackson because atleast they meet with the people they want to help and consult with them. They should be criticizing her! Whenever something negative is said or done to Black women here comes Gina McCauley the media hound to get attention and totally ignore the wishes of the women! Tell me how that is any way more acceptable than what Sharpton and Jackson do? I think its worse! They come when asked, they don't just make someone their cause and do whatever they want. This post is so right and revealing. I thought that maybe she did know the victim but was protecting her identity, but its actually true. She just doesn't care to find or talk to the person. Instead she is doing interviews and getting fame out of that poor woman's misery. Thats so disgusting!<BR/><BR/>P.S. What does she mean by Ike Turners?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58239913163424962322007-12-20T08:08:00.000-06:002007-12-20T08:08:00.000-06:00I agree with you, Gordon, on the WAOD's tactics. ...I agree with you, Gordon, on the WAOD's tactics. But the sum total of their activities reveal them as would-be censurers. <BR/><BR/>Anyone can turn a legitimate cause into a forum for blamemongering and scapegoating; that's called <I>demagogy</I>.William L. Tucker, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05497172082263228067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90173845506102239712007-12-20T01:55:00.000-06:002007-12-20T01:55:00.000-06:00If you don't like WAOD, great! There are so many b...<I>If you don't like WAOD, great! There are so many blogs out there millions that at least a hundred or so will have content you find palatable. So you should use your very valuable time reading only those things that you agree with 100%</I><BR/><BR/>So those who take exception with BET, Imus, and rappers who degrade women shoud simply ignore them and find more palatable entertainers? Yeah, I didnt think so.<BR/><BR/>This is the same fundamentally bankrupt logic that the "America, love it or leave it" types employ. One of the biggest problems with public political discourse is that our societies have fostered a culture of weakness, offense, and moral outrage that has left people ill-equipped to deal with criticism and alternative views. Nothing of substance can come from only engaging people who share your beliefs and positions.<BR/><BR/><I>What you do not have a right to o is use your freedom of expression to cross a line and try to use intimidation, threats and lies in order to silence some one else.</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't this exactly what WAOD is doing in its campaigns against BET's content?<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>neon,<BR/><BR/>They definitely aren't nihilists, but their strategies are bunk. I just want to reiterate, though, that I understand their motivations are commend their stated goal.gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30336922138713053362007-12-19T19:26:00.000-06:002007-12-19T19:26:00.000-06:00I prefer to think of the Gina McCauleys as nihilis...I prefer to think of the Gina McCauleys as nihilists, or better, public scolds, whose main preoccupation consists of tearing down people & ideas they don't agree with. 'Victimologist' is too nice a word here. It kind of lends an undeserved credibility to WAOD's tactics.William L. Tucker, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05497172082263228067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63194061931782307052007-12-18T17:31:00.000-06:002007-12-18T17:31:00.000-06:00Normally I ignore criticism. There is so much of ...Normally I ignore criticism. There is so much of it and so little time, but I wanted to applaud "Vana " and encourage others to take her lead. If you don't like WAOD, great! There are so many blogs out there millions that at least a hundred or so will have content you find palatable. So you should use your very valuable time reading only those things that you agree with 100% <BR/><BR/>Regarding my arrogance. I've had that label slapped on me so many times, I am printing up a t-shirt. I'd rather be labeled arrogant than apathetic and if talking about the Dunbar Village crime without personally speaking with the victim makes me arrogant, then I will wear the label as a badge of honor because that puts me in the league with some amazing human rights organizations throughout the globe who managed to speak out about crimes against humanity without sit down chats with the victims. This wasn't just about the mother and son, but the assailants, the neighbors, the city government, and law enforcement. Under your reasoning I would have to meet with everybody before i could talk about any aspect of the crime first.<BR/><BR/>As far as the write of this post wondering if they are an Internet Ike Turner, time will tell. What I do know is that you have an opinion and a right to express it as do I. What you do not have a right to o is use your freedom of expression to cross a line and try to use intimidation, threats and lies in order to silence some one else. If you are engaged in that activity then Yeah, that would make you an IIT.<BR/><BR/>Now I am off to waste more of my precious time writing another completely useless post that "vana" won't be reading.<BR/><BR/>thanks for the link!<BR/><BR/>Gina from What About Our Daughters - Uncompromising, Unapologetic, Unbowed ("U Trinity")in the Face of Anonymous Rock Throwers!g-e-m2001https://www.blogger.com/profile/09906657909207083618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91744945267131111962007-12-18T12:50:00.000-06:002007-12-18T12:50:00.000-06:00Perfect ExampleLook no further then Cablevision, M...<B>Perfect Example</B><BR/><BR/>Look no further then Cablevision, Madison Square Garden, Knicks and the NBA. In what other workplace will executive management who are found liable in Federal Court for sexual harassment, not disciplined by their employer? Further, the NBA has failed miserably by refusing to sanction with suspensions and/or fines the individuals involved <I>Jim Dolan, Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marburry.</I>channelXRFRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243867108851490409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43881268343343178912007-12-18T12:34:00.000-06:002007-12-18T12:34:00.000-06:00I used to like the WAOD site until there was a foc...I used to like the WAOD site until there was a focus on the Dumbar Village rape. I read that the police had some of the perpetrators and the victim had moved out of Dunbar Village housing project. I wondered what the point of getting publicizing the rape would be. Would it really help to catch the other rapists? I doubt it.<BR/><BR/>I also wondered if publicizing the rape and asking the media or NAACP to acknowledge it could actually be harmful. Maybe the woman is in hiding because the rapists who haven't been caught could retaliate. They did know where she lived after all. Maybe she's afraid of what they might do to her. Maybe she is in hiding until there is a trial or something. There is probably a reason why the victim hasn't made herself public. Maybe she doesn't want to be made public. For crying out loud this is a horrific gang rape! Who is McCauley to talk about someone else's pain and retell her story. Actually, I'm not even sure she knows who the victim is! She might just be assuming what the victim wants because she assumes the victim is helpless and needs to be saved! I don't think she is her lawyer or spokesperson so who is she to speak for the victim. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if Ms. McCauley thought about the negative consequences of her actions. Plus, I agree that it is focusing on victimization and breeding fear. I think that fighting negative images of Black women in the media is a good cause though. I just don't understand how her work about the Dunbar Village rape fits in. <BR/><BR/>Its really bothering me now...did any of the people who interviewed McCauley ask if she actually knew the victim? Did they just assume that she did? That is absolutely, positively taking power away from the victim if she doesn't even know the woman. What an arrogant thing to do!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com