tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post6888830243262595899..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Michonne or Maggie? Race, Gender, and Rape on The Walking Dead TV SeriesLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41548286059054731962015-03-16T19:28:42.539-05:002015-03-16T19:28:42.539-05:00What the fuck am I reading, you're really fuck...What the fuck am I reading, you're really fucking sick in the head faggot. Stop forcing your stupid social justice into everything. I literally laughed out loud reading this:<br /><br />"To point. For two seasons, he remains "feminized"--"sneaky, evasive, and stealthy"--until being forced into "manhood" by Merle's interrogation in the most recent episode "When the Dead Come Knocking." Glenn's loyalty to Rick, and the system of white male patriarchal authority he embodies in the show, was symbolically "rewarded" by the former's sexual union with Maggie, a white woman."<br /><br /><br />Pathetic, but hey, you do what you can to get more clicks right?Obinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18306031655403025942014-11-06T03:30:24.839-06:002014-11-06T03:30:24.839-06:00You like practice failing at debate? Do demonstrat...You like practice failing at debate? Do demonstrate again, I'm taking notes.TWDfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67564152444990859772014-03-12T19:27:16.224-05:002014-03-12T19:27:16.224-05:00I can't even believe your ignorance. Michonne ...I can't even believe your ignorance. Michonne didn't need to get raped for her to have a good character. She had plenty of internal struggles from the Governor stealing Andrea away from her. Plus she has the internal struggle with trying to get away from her past and trying to move on from the death of her son. Tyrese is in the show. If you would have just given the show time you would have seen that. Glenn is not an Asian stereotype any more than Tyrese or Sasha are. He's a smart, tough, quick-thinking SOB who has saved the groups ass more than Rick has. And T-Dog was one of the most loved characters in the show and he was given the most honorable death in the series thus far. Honestly, I never thought I'd live to see the day when a black woman NOT getting raped would be called racist. And it's even more insulting that you treated this like a scholarly article when you didn't even do any real research. Confirm your facts before you write and maybe you won't look like such an uninformed twat.Cearanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44754967189448991022013-12-09T00:43:41.992-06:002013-12-09T00:43:41.992-06:00I like how he said all that, and you just say &quo...I like how he said all that, and you just say "you're a moron". Obvious rapist answer...Treeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-11050384760609350682013-12-08T21:34:45.179-06:002013-12-08T21:34:45.179-06:00you're a moron.you're a moron.Sensitive RAB Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22314825161187004692013-12-01T21:10:32.625-06:002013-12-01T21:10:32.625-06:00Trying to hardTrying to hardTomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26601024939586655452013-11-28T00:09:32.052-06:002013-11-28T00:09:32.052-06:00You obviously love to write, so write your own sho...You obviously love to write, so write your own show. Otherwise, you are just another hapless critic devoid of talent and drive. You critique others for doing something that you lack the courage to do on your own. Brian L.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20618071695537029722013-04-07T15:25:42.107-05:002013-04-07T15:25:42.107-05:00You're upset because they chose not to have Mi...You're upset because they chose not to have Michonne raped by the Governor? What kind of sick freak WANTS a woman to be raped to prove any point? Oh yeah, YOU, you sick freak.RJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90241887957041482952013-03-12T14:54:17.084-05:002013-03-12T14:54:17.084-05:00I think it is a good thing that the graphic novel ...I think it is a good thing that the graphic novel and the television series have the same characters reacting to a different script.<br />Experiences in life make mental pictures in the mind when we read about the exploits of fictional characters.<br />On screen characters ARE visible and their experiences are also visible.. How the character "thinks and feels" is the focus.<br />That's how I enjoy this series and Star Trek : Voyager..Leroy Gray Jrhttp://www.facebook.com/leroygrayjr8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9409750222557399892013-02-10T23:51:24.043-06:002013-02-10T23:51:24.043-06:00While I totally agree that the black characters ar...While I totally agree that the black characters are under utilized and written one dimensionally, I make the argument that this is the case with every character on this terribly written show. idunnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73905459400771540082013-01-01T02:01:57.737-06:002013-01-01T02:01:57.737-06:00Michonne showed emotion when she saw that Walker i...Michonne showed emotion when she saw that Walker in the Govenors room?! GIVE ME A BREAK<br /><br />You'd get more emotion out of a plank of wood. Sure you can say that T-Dogs character ran its course I'm actually glad T-Dogs gone because he was such a clumsy idiot. No way you can say that for Michonne who is a main character in the comics.<br /><br />Its season 3 and we still don't know a damn thing about her. Where as Daryl who is an original character and one of the most well received characters in the show gets more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48806113473078667292012-12-06T18:04:18.266-06:002012-12-06T18:04:18.266-06:00@Will. Are you going to give me the courtesy of a ...@Will. Are you going to give me the courtesy of a reach around? Full metal jacket joke. Do you have specifics?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77408102696014910132012-12-06T17:46:46.728-06:002012-12-06T17:46:46.728-06:00chaunceydevega, man, you're reaching... I give...chaunceydevega, man, you're reaching... I give your article ten thumbs down.Willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-92102614934429429582012-11-30T01:48:51.997-06:002012-11-30T01:48:51.997-06:00@Anon. Do pick a name. So you want to play in the ...@Anon. Do pick a name. So you want to play in the big kid's pool? Fun.<br /><br />It is very telling that the two men most aligned with State authority are white. That actually furthers my critique about the show a narrative about embattled white masculinity. <br /><br />The novels about the Governor suggest that he is Hispanic. There is actually an interview with the writers of the show where they discuss making him "white." <br /><br />"And with T-Dog, no one is going to pretend he was a well-developed character, but I honestly believe it was a case where T-Dog served the plot in the very first hours of the first season, and the writers didn't know what to do with him after that."<br /><br />Exactly. Mighty interesting how white writers and others simply have this habit of not knowing what to do with non-white characters. Hell of a habit ain't it?<br /><br />This is not a game for casual players. If you want to engage in this type of analysis there is much work for you to do, reading to be and, some basic understandings of myth, folklore, semiotics, literary theory, etc. you need to work on. <br /><br />You are good fun. Try some more later. I like the practice. chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90400455415482944302012-11-29T23:33:06.406-06:002012-11-29T23:33:06.406-06:00Excuse me, what? The Governor was Hispanic in the ...Excuse me, what? The Governor was Hispanic in the comic? Where did you get that? It's pretty clear he was a white southerner, and his name was Phillip Blake.<br /><br />Second, your declarations about Glenn are absurd. Where the rest of us see a great character who thinks on his feet and is more creative and intelligent than anyone else on the show, you see some sort of supposedly "feminized," servile token Asian man.<br /><br />Where you see some sort of perverse "reward" for "serving the white man," we see an Asian man who defies all Hollywood stereotypes by not only getting the girl, but getting The Hot Girl, and more than earning the respect of her rigid, traditionalist father.<br /><br />Where the rest of us see our hero, Glenn, standing up to an evil torturer, you see some sort of imagined ritual where only white men can bestow masculinity.<br /><br />I also notice you don't like to mention the fact that Rick and Shane were police officers in the pre-apocalypse society, and I'm sure that's because police officers are by definition authoritarian, which is not convenient for your theory about the Authoritative White Man symbolism.<br /><br />Also: Tyreese will be in the live-action series, and he's played by an excellent actor.<br /><br />And if you watched the preview for the next episode, you will see Michonne finds The Governor's daughter and, not realizing the girl is a "walker," Michonne sheds her tough exterior and you can see she's terrified for this little girl she thinks has been held hostage in a closet. All that build-up of the strong, silent Michonne will be shattered with that emotional moment.<br /><br />You choose to see racism where there is none, and couch your absurdity in the guise of academic analysis. If Glenn hadn't endured the beating from Merle, you'd have said the show was reinforcing the weak Asian stereotype. If Glenn hadn't hooked up with Maggie, you'd say the show won't allow Asian men to have any sort of sex, like so many movies and TV shows.<br /><br />And with T-Dog, no one is going to pretend he was a well-developed character, but I honestly believe it was a case where T-Dog served the plot in the very first hours of the first season, and the writers didn't know what to do with him after that. That happens all the time in serial television.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10741002008146125942012-11-28T23:46:49.512-06:002012-11-28T23:46:49.512-06:00"Steven, as usual you have seized upon some s..."Steven, as usual you have seized upon some small thing in one of my innocuous comments and used it to prove that I am a horrible, typical White racist."<br /><br />Fred, as usual, you didn't read my comment carefully enough (to understand it) before responding. The last sentence of the first comment went:<br /><br />"It's not your fault; we're all brainwashed to think that way."<br /><br />So I'm not singling you out by race, weight, density or curvature. And "some small thing in one of [anyone's] innocuous comments" is usually where we find evidence of the internalized ideologies that govern our outlook/behavior, no?<br /><br />Feel free to lash out at that one unthinkingly, Fred! Laugh<br /><br />"By the way, I would heartily endorse an "instinct" in Black Americans to keep a careful eye on any and all White Americans..."<br /><br />Just as long as no one says anything about what they observe, right, Fred? <br /><br />A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-539450478702077842012-11-28T23:34:04.217-06:002012-11-28T23:34:04.217-06:00I'm fine, Professor, and thanks for asking. I...I'm fine, Professor, and thanks for asking. It's our cool season over here, a joke really, but the temps do moderate a bit. We're just starting our semester number two, and it's all good. All systems go; everything nominal; no untoward oscillations. <br /><br />Have a great Christmas. fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24626244453359343672012-11-28T20:19:27.114-06:002012-11-28T20:19:27.114-06:00Steven, as usual you have seized upon some small t...Steven, as usual you have seized upon some small thing in one of my innocuous comments and used it to prove that I am a horrible, typical White racist. The small thing, as usual, is a thin reed on which to hang this judgment. <br /><br />When you do this, all that you prove is that you have a blind spot. Your "instinct" is to find racism behind a White face. You are obviously a very smart guy, I'll freely admit that you appear to be smarter than I am, I've read all of your comments since you came on board herein. But you have a blind spot. <br /><br />By the way, I would heartily endorse an "instinct" in Black Americans to keep a careful eye on any and all White Americans, and to watch their deeds closely, and to never accept their verbal protestations of racial neutrality on face value. But please try to save the baby while you are correctly flushing the bath water. fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43521717560271088982012-11-28T14:32:35.791-06:002012-11-28T14:32:35.791-06:00erratum: "Eugenics"! laugherratum: "Eugenics"! laughA. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68611444516403540922012-11-28T14:30:47.700-06:002012-11-28T14:30:47.700-06:00PS I'm not saying there are "no races&quo...PS I'm not saying there are "no races"... I'm saying the taxonomy we use now is a social construct heavily influenced by class (as a tribal artifact) with sloppy, folky definitions. Yes, there are races... thousands of them. Perhaps tens of thousands. More? <br /><br />If you're a seriously scientific racialist (vs a spittle-flecking, hate-filled quack with a nasty agenda) I think it's time to bring Eugemics up to speed and start working out the complex charts required to describe the myriad *subtly* classifiable morphological variations between 7 billion descendants of the same primeval parents. <br /><br />This defining Race with the "I know it when I see it" bullshit will no longer suffice.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13238054200015473052012-11-28T14:19:49.862-06:002012-11-28T14:19:49.862-06:00In fact: that's David Duke's kinder, gentl...In fact: that's David Duke's kinder, gentler new hook: Racial <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRx2YYLbsr0&feature=relmfu" rel="nofollow">”Bio-Diversity</a>.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49966893627147076162012-11-28T14:07:08.004-06:002012-11-28T14:07:08.004-06:00"Different races have different experiences, ..."Different races have different experiences, different instincts, and different reactions to things, and that must be acknowledged in written characters, but after all, aren't we all substantially the same?"<br /><br />Sorry, Fred, but that's the *core* of the Racist Argument (Liberal Version). The word you need, in place of "Races", is *Individuals*. <br /><br />Thought experiment: a character on the Nostromo must react to a Face-Hugger's advances... as an acting exercise, please describe how a White actor's response should be categorically different from a Black, or Asian, actor's response, on the basis of... Race? What, the Black actor is more plausible if he questions the chastity (or butt size) of the Face-Hugger's mother? Or if his/her eyes bug out? Is the Asian actor more likely to embrace her/his Oneness with the Face-Hugger... or do Kung Fu on it?<br /><br />Discussing any *populations* (grouped by gender/race/weight/shoe-size/ navel-convexity/ favorite comic book ) you're forced to deal in statistics. Individuals vary far more than the "Races" do... which is what the sane part of your cited comment (the last clause) points at. <br /><br />It's not your fault; we're all brainwashed to think that way. That's why that preposterous comment (esp. the "instincts" bit: yipes!) slipped through, unmolested, in the first place.A. Ominoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13807400943709124236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2103488815112061732012-11-28T12:36:16.345-06:002012-11-28T12:36:16.345-06:00@Fred. You must be psychic. I was thinking of that...@Fred. You must be psychic. I was thinking of that great and under appreciated movie the other day. Magic happens sometimes--Ripley being an example of it. your questions are ones that we have grappled with from the New Negro to the present...and still have not resolved. What to do?<br /><br />How have you been?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80051536149582659092012-11-28T10:15:09.530-06:002012-11-28T10:15:09.530-06:00It begs the question: what is a well written Black...It begs the question: what is a well written Black character? <br /><br />Sidney Poitier in "The Bedford Incident?" A good character, for sure, but probably just a Black actor dropped into a part written for a White man, like Ripley in "Alien" was a woman dropped into a part written for a man. <br /><br />Or does it require a Black dimension, a Black ethos to the motivations and actions of the character. I'll admit, my feelings about this alternative are somewhat ambiguous. Different races have different experiences, different instincts, and different reactions to things, and that must be acknowledged in written characters, but after all, aren't we all substantially the same? <br /><br />Anyway, I like the show, and your points, as always, are well taken. fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74239937038095267372012-11-27T20:39:20.003-06:002012-11-27T20:39:20.003-06:00CD, I recall either watching or reading, or both, ...CD, I recall either watching or reading, or both, about the kind of experiments which you are referring to.<br /><br /> Marketing and propaganda are top-end applications of the sum of the social sciences. One need have deep respect for the object of their attention lest they be led astray. Particularly in America where most adults and their children are becoming thoroughly programmed consumerists of merchandise and manipulative information, non-independent thinkers or as someone aptly termed sheeple...which is very dangerous as a society.<br /><br />Yes, we all are being subjected to manipulated to some extent, by something or someone, most of our waking moments. The first step is to understand the level of your susceptibility. Most people don't. Second is to know how and when to short circuit the manipulation. Most people don't know that either. <br /><br />I will have to find the movies They Live and Videodrome.<br /> <br />Razornoreply@blogger.com