tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post6841091531340459362..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: How Did Things Go So Wrong? Chris Hayes is Forced to Remind Black Americans of Their Obligation to Speak Truth to Power in the Age of ObamaLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45007452874418511302013-06-29T12:39:15.004-05:002013-06-29T12:39:15.004-05:00Matters have not become derailed I'd venture t...Matters have not become derailed I'd venture to say that just the opposite is true. one must consider that black people are acutely intuitive in determining friend from foe as a matter practical survival. In their hearts they know that this president is not going to institute any programs or measures that will have a direct or peripheral detrimental impact upon their wellbeing as evidenced by his continuos push back against those entities whose intent is to stifle and impede black participation in any self determinant and important fashion. <br />Also, one must take into consideration the litany of false scandals the opposition have proffered as pure political tools to discredit andandand malign the president. so with this being the case it is only logical that any accusations of misdeeds by this president will be viewed with severe skepticism by black america , until a substantial drill down <br />Of the facts.Mr. pop popnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21398552170625462212013-06-29T11:59:31.475-05:002013-06-29T11:59:31.475-05:00Remember Fanon's comment on the oppressed...Remember Fanon's comment on the oppressed...blavagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32585549808011173002013-06-29T07:28:37.372-05:002013-06-29T07:28:37.372-05:00"A drug/religious figure of sorts?"
Y..."A drug/religious figure of sorts?" <br /><br />Yes/to a degree. Chauncey, if we look back @every era since our introduction into ameriKKKlan as slaves to the present we fought so hard for basic liberties that should be afforded every man/woman under basic human right not law/constitution just a paradigm of an existing life. To some African in ameriKKKlan his election was the apex, summit, pinnacle of what our people died/were slaughtered for. Your response summed up my point exactly. Opiates is one hell of a drug. It excites feelings of euphoria but lowers comprehension, consciousness & heightens ignorance to the umpteenth exponent. It was in that moment 'we' knew 'he' had an actual chance of winning the was when "our special obligation and gift to always speak truth to power... matters became derailed." We were now burning our vocal chords defending him. Whatever<br />plights we had locally were cast aside and were now given a parallax view to focus on 'our messiah.' 'They' know what they are doing. Don't ever be too gracious because the boss gave you a raise. If my goal was a million & I made 10 million what is it to me to give you a raise. You'll love me for it (maybe) but I'm not elevating to my status just helping you accept yours. Stargazing. Our mindset, hustle, grind should be the same as it was through each epoch that should have rendered us extinct. Now is the time to get reacquainted w/our goals.Learning is Eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46737722730871066442013-06-29T06:33:51.021-05:002013-06-29T06:33:51.021-05:00the comment was relevant. he just didn't like ...the comment was relevant. he just didn't like the answer. that he and other supporters of Obama played a role in 'what the heck has gone wrong with the Black Freedom Struggle in this generation and support for domestic spying". What went wrong is OBAMA. odd though. if he deleted the relevant one why leave the (less than kind) response to the deletion? certainly that was the more offensive of the two. and at least the deleted comment left the door open for further discussion of Barama's role in putting the final nails in the coffin of said freedom struggle.Ben Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-11519436938636771892013-06-28T23:17:24.479-05:002013-06-28T23:17:24.479-05:00"My point is that on a lot of things black Am..."My point is that on a lot of things black Americans are no different than anyone else, their self-interest is what motivates them."<br /><br /><br />You are a mind read. Got something on that next week. How do we define "black politics" and the "black community" in an age of corporate market democracy?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58018053106972390822013-06-28T23:16:34.701-05:002013-06-28T23:16:34.701-05:00" So many of us are stargazing/sun watching a..." So many of us are stargazing/sun watching are oblivious to their immediate surroundings."<br /><br /><br />And not taking a personal account of how well the black community is not doing under the country's first black president. What do they say about religion being an opiate of the masses and filling empty bellies? Is Obama that drug for too many black Americans? A religious figure of sorts?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9712070105846026052013-06-28T23:15:23.778-05:002013-06-28T23:15:23.778-05:00Mighty great example of unreflective writing. Let&...Mighty great example of unreflective writing. Let's just take a step back. No one is telling you what to think. You chose to read and comment. The truncheon is not at your head. <br /><br /><br />How do you reconcile Cointelpro and the surveillance society's deep history with regulating, harassing, and yes, murdering people of color, with black Americans support of such programs in the present. <br /><br /><br />An interesting puzzle is it not?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40864615058766828162013-06-28T19:45:52.295-05:002013-06-28T19:45:52.295-05:00Nonsense column. First and last visit.Nonsense column. First and last visit.juiciebellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88317810247551028842013-06-28T16:55:15.996-05:002013-06-28T16:55:15.996-05:00First I'm a 68 yr. old African Amer. and you c...First I'm a 68 yr. old African Amer. and you can judge by my age, that I lived & living the black experience in Amer...<br />Second, I don't need any pundit/blogger telling me what I should or shouldn't feel or think about any matter that concern my life (in any shape or form)...<br />Thirdly, the disrespect that all Amer. media (white/black) along with political opposition to this president is a disgrace, if I want to know what this president have accomplished, I could find out for myself their plenty un-tarnish info. to judge PBO..<br />In conclusion, my ques. to this author & Chris Hayes. 1) Is your judgment so weak that another writer make you have doubt yourself that you have a need to write about it? 2) What is Hayes agenda? Is he trying to plant a seed of doubt about this Pres. and undermind what this Pres. is FIGHTING FOR BY HIS-SELF? Mr. Hayes is trying to beef up support for his friend Glen Greenwald & the Leaker Snowden.. Before anybody jump on this bandwagon check your facts about all 3 characters.. They all have a history especially Greenwald who wrote a book, Snowden is a criminal period.. We can debate about what he leak but Snowden is a CRIMINAL PERIOD..LTanya Spearmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2768082342471732722013-06-28T16:06:47.092-05:002013-06-28T16:06:47.092-05:00Mr. De Vega, a lot of us are still stuck mentally....Mr. De Vega, a lot of us are still stuck mentally. For those who thought a black (bi-racial) impossible, myself included, don't see no more than that. They cheered his victory & went right back to their accepted post or conditions in life. For some it was inspiring, but why? Black/Brown 'sapiens been proved capable of phenomenal activity in all areas worthy of applause from antiquity to the present. More impressive & polarizing personas long before PBO. "They..." have had how many presidents? Please don't become content because they gave us 1. Shootings of unarmed black/brown people have equaled or surpassed those during Jim/Jane Crow under a black pres. Deportation of productive black/brown people even worse under PBO. So many of us are stargazing/sun watching are oblivious to their immediate surroundings. For those of who can see through muddy water we not making enough noise, awareness, attention (myself included). We tweet, Facebook, blog, all which can be easily suppressed.Learning is eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57783385885764414192013-06-28T15:09:08.235-05:002013-06-28T15:09:08.235-05:00I don't know if you've ever watched "...I don't know if you've ever watched "Weeds", but there is a point in there where a white Jewish child is telling his grandfather about the need to fight genocide in Africa. The old man is noncommittal. The boy tells him "Didn't you always tell us 'Never Again' "? The man replies "That was for Jews! Never again for Jews!!"<br /><br />Similarly there is a scene in "I'm gonna get you sucka" in which the former militant reminisces about the day that "the brothers went down to a government building to take it over or burn it down. But the government was hiring that day".<br /><br />=) <br /><br />My point is that on a lot of things black Americans are no different than anyone else, their self-interest is what motivates them. For most of American history black self-interest tracked pretty closely with justice. Now, that's not necessarily the case. The symbolism of a black man in charge and a black woman as first lady is pretty heady stuff. And by comparison, all in all one would be hard pressed to argue that PBO has treated the black community with less respect than LBJ or Clinton. Sure those are low bars but it is what it is. Most people, black or white, just don't care overmuch about civil liberties.Shady Gradyhttp://theurbanpolitico.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57631494148884634072013-06-28T12:34:38.595-05:002013-06-28T12:34:38.595-05:00again, I will break my own rule. you are not advan...again, I will break my own rule. you are not advancing the conversation. making silly observations about me being a "obama worshipper" of the like is just a broken record on your part that is tedious. <br /><br /><br />I have written two posts criticizing Obama and trying to figure out what the heck has gone wrong with the Black Freedom Struggle in this generation and support for domestic spying. <br /><br /><br />now you are name calling. not interested. go elsewhere. alternatively, when you can find a way to constructively engage then perhaps you will be welcome back at a later date.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31581233939502142972013-06-28T12:16:23.544-05:002013-06-28T12:16:23.544-05:00Censorship. The last resort of narcissists and cow...Censorship. The last resort of narcissists and cowards.Ben Grimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7876732695894475942013-06-28T12:10:56.983-05:002013-06-28T12:10:56.983-05:00"Has the symbolic power of our crowned black ..."Has the symbolic power of our crowned black prince Barack Obama so thoroughly robbed Black America of our special obligation and gift to always speak truth to power?"<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />" And if so, when and how did matters become so derailed?"<br /><br />Propaganda targeting blacks and Obama cheerleaders like yourself.Ben Grimnoreply@blogger.com