tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post6804367295135827747..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Israel Does Practice Racial Apartheid, But Its "Segregated" Buses are Not the Same as Jim and Jane Crow in AmericaLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57658116036131994462013-03-06T16:30:36.077-06:002013-03-06T16:30:36.077-06:00It works both ways. Jews have done a hell of a lot...It works both ways. Jews have done a hell of a lot more abuse of blacks than Palestinians have. Not because they are more racist necessarily. They just have mo money and power; the means by which to enforce their racial prejudices. As I said; discrimination against blacks is universal. They see us as the least among the people of the world; according to that color hierarchy of racial discrimination that I laid out. By your logic, if you can't have empathy for Palestinians neither can you have empathy for the even more racially oppressive Isrealis. You can't have empathy for hardly people in the world. Except maybe Eskimos..Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62320785021104063532013-03-06T15:10:46.681-06:002013-03-06T15:10:46.681-06:00so it´s ok for you to have empathy for someone who...so it´s ok for you to have empathy for someone who oppress you, just because you are what you are? No it´s not. I agree that there had and has many issues among blacks , dark-skinned/light skinned, africans vs african-americans etc... but i also notice that most of this divisions are cauzed by low education and are to some degree a consequence of white supremacy (the one who think they are closer from whites despise the others)...but to compare it to the racialized superstructure of power is foolish , naive (it´s not personal here, just general) and doesn ´t help us understand how it actually worksrorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24849465259704235092013-03-06T08:56:36.534-06:002013-03-06T08:56:36.534-06:00That's how respectable Negroes revolt. Nonviol...That's how respectable Negroes revolt. Nonviolently.Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52856038286403188392013-03-06T08:49:46.160-06:002013-03-06T08:49:46.160-06:00That's the color hierarchy of racial discrimin...That's the color hierarchy of racial discrimination. White alright. Brown stick around. Black get back. Semites would be like white flat or brown sharp.Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70228583001003130652013-03-06T08:30:14.237-06:002013-03-06T08:30:14.237-06:00@ bad company : another sources
http://www.petach...@ bad company : another sources<br /><br />http://www.petachtikvamuseum.com/en/Exhibitions.aspx?eid=1775<br /><br /><br />if you really wanna see it , you´ll find informations about itrorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68296708272227485222013-03-06T08:21:52.535-06:002013-03-06T08:21:52.535-06:00@ bad company & Alon
hi to both of you
did ...@ bad company & Alon<br /><br /> hi to both of you<br /><br />did u guys really google it? with a quick search i could find this video in the first results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxrxI9xItkw&feature=related<br /><br />and i´m not speaking about other arab people , but palestinians. i´´m not confused here. There is a terrible history of racism from arabs towards blacks ( in facts black people are still used as slaves in some arab countries) and awful things that the israelis are doing to black people could also be a topic, but since we were talking about the oppression of palestinians by jews here, i wanted to point out that, it´s difficult for some people to see them as victims, since they created a similar system in their territories to oppress black people and don´t have a better attitudes towards blacks than the people who oppress them. And i think that there is a problem by stating that someone is a victim when in fact he oppresses another because of it´s origins and use his victim status in purpose because he is in a position of weakness towards other powerfull groups. I don´t know if you understand my point, but that´s what i wanted to point here.<br /><br />to deny this racism would be to be in denial, and the other reason is that nobody wants to see victims as oppressors, that´s why you will not see many articles, discussions about it. But the people who know the long history of arab negrophobia wouldn´t be surprised that it happens in palestinians territories too :<br /><br />another video but unfortunately it´s in french : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8jGQfperhororynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25600707118870892422013-03-06T08:00:39.958-06:002013-03-06T08:00:39.958-06:00I'm not sure if this policy has been stopped y...I'm not sure if this policy has been stopped yet, either, the sterilization of Ethiopian Jews in Israel: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/an-inconveivable-crime.premium-1.484110<br /><br />There's also growing gender apartheid, from public buses where women are only allowed in the back, to a gynecological conference where only men were allowed to speak, etc: http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/fighting-gender-apartheid-in-israeljemand2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34949126282954367402013-03-06T07:39:45.015-06:002013-03-06T07:39:45.015-06:00po thangs...,
lol, anything that pitiful sound...po thangs..., <br /><br /><br /><br />lol, anything that pitiful sounds like it deserves to die!CNuhttp://subrealism.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75992242728017110912013-03-06T07:11:05.712-06:002013-03-06T07:11:05.712-06:00If blacks had to withhold empathy from every peopl...If blacks had to withhold empathy from every people that practices discrimination against blacks there would be no one we could have empathy for; except maybe the native Americans. Heck, we'd have to withhold it from ourselves. In fact some of us *do* withhold it from blacks less fortunate than ourselves or who are members of other tribes. Discrimination against blacks is, alas, universal. Even among blacks.Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-66073613955132647792013-03-06T07:02:54.064-06:002013-03-06T07:02:54.064-06:00"racial segregation of black people in palest..."racial segregation of black people in palestinian territories? "<br /><br /><br /><br />not challenging this, just can't find anything by Googling. can you give a source?Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37439801093370198592013-03-06T05:53:35.889-06:002013-03-06T05:53:35.889-06:00You obviously have a reading comprehension problem...You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. I did not say that Rhodesia was not an apartheid system. My point is that Palestine like Rhodesia and South Africa is an apartheid situation. If you include the Palestinians expelled in 1948 and 1967 and their descendants they clearly outnumber the Israeli Jews in the territory. Ben Gurion was just as evil as Cecil Rhodes. In fact in some ways more so. The Rhodesians never forcibly expelled most of the indigenous population into neighboring states. If your point is that ZANU was justified in its violence against the settler regime, but the Palestinians are not then we disagree. There is no moral difference between Israel and Rhodesia. You might also as suggested above check out Israeli treatment of Black Africans. Max Blumenthal has some great videos on this. Here in Africa most people do not have trouble understanding that in fact Israel is an apartheid state no different from the old South Africa or Rhodesia.j.ottopohlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50793474546870947232013-03-05T23:15:58.825-06:002013-03-05T23:15:58.825-06:00From what I've seen--there's a beautiful I...From what I've seen--there's a beautiful Israeli left news aggregator in English called +972 (http://972mag.com/) the question of bus bombing is not on anybody's mind, the Transportation Ministry and the drivers are all about overcrowding, and everybody feeling "comfortable". And it's "not racist" of course. Also, amazingly, it's not even legal and officially nobody will be forced off the wrong bus; the border police will just "suggest" switching to the more "comfortable" one.<br /><br />It is true that the Palestinian and African American issues are very different in significant ways. Also that some Palestinian people have done evil things in the course of the struggle and some of them may be fanatical Salafists etc. etc. Pointing really hard at this segregated bus situation isn't meant to equate the two: but it does tell the black or white American liberal or progressive in a really vivid way how it feels to be a Palestinian trying to get to your shitty job in Jerusalem, which is really important.Yastreblyanskyhttp://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15088242543291147052013-03-05T23:05:28.483-06:002013-03-05T23:05:28.483-06:00Are you talking about the Palestinians right now, ...Are you talking about the Palestinians right now, or about other Arab peoples? The Palestinian territories have very few if any blacks to oppress. Within Israel, ethnic Palestinians hold noticeably more progressive attitudes than Jews toward black refugees, though it's a matter of degree rather than kind. The pogroms against blacks are committed by Jews rather than by Palestinians, and the range of opinions among ethnic Palestinian politicians in Israel excludes the vilest and more violent racism expressed by right-wing Jews.Alonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76817767503873234692013-03-05T22:17:09.448-06:002013-03-05T22:17:09.448-06:00rotflmbao...., uh, no.
Django strictly a figment...rotflmbao...., uh, no.<br /><br /><br />Django strictly a figment of Quentin Tarantino's imagination. Negros marching, protesting, and suing for their rights were considered radical and beyond the pale by the responsible negroes du jour.CNuhttp://subrealism.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20441436850199432192013-03-05T21:20:27.730-06:002013-03-05T21:20:27.730-06:00i also learned that arabs consider theirselves whi...i also learned that arabs consider theirselves whites and according to census data in the us they are aknowledged to be so. So i don´t really understand why would some people among them many black people consider them as PoC i know that they are not really seen as "whites" in the society" , but that´s how they see themselves and they have a long history of creepy anti-black racism : slavery(before europeans), castration of black males and use of black women as sexual objects. They have no interests supporting the black struggles , unless it helps them fighting their enemies of the moment and in many instances they are the source of the problem in many. In the us they are kind of quiet since america decided to make of them the public enemy Nr.1 and here they powerless. So they need to allie with other minorities , but if you look in Africa for example you´ll be scared to see what happens to black people in arab areas,rorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74750148051187572102013-03-05T21:02:32.061-06:002013-03-05T21:02:32.061-06:00sorry but the system in "rhodesia"- hat...sorry but the system in "rhodesia"- hate this name ,which originated from a evil human being- was not different from the system in south Africa: it was apartheid, in all the same meanings and shapes and it was as terrible and outrageous as the one in SA . It was also so outrageous because, the 1% Europeans aliens thought they could oppress 99% of the population of Zimbabwe because they were Africans. That´s also why the armed conflict- despite the active support of all white "brother" countries- went bad for the whites: they were numerically very inferior to the natives. Otherwise the situation would have probably evolve like in south Africa and some other countries in southern Africa where the white didn´t really lost any of their privilege from the colonization period: other white countries wouldn´t have allowed it. Did you people know that nelson was cast as a terrorist in the united states until recently? why? i think you know the answer...<br /><br />just to say there is a difference but similarities with the systemsrorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35029694565121885162013-03-05T20:23:10.997-06:002013-03-05T20:23:10.997-06:00Yes, I agree. Blacks were terrorized and by the ti...Yes, I agree. Blacks were terrorized and by the time of civil rights there were enough laws in place and being enforced where blacks could barely walk together after dark. Remember many of those laws were passed because of whites fear of retaliation, real or imagined. I am not saying we are savage attackers. We were however, as has been shown from time to time, willing to die to be free. Despite generations of will-breaking, some fought. I'm just saying, if the ability to get such weapons were as readily available to blacks here as they are oversees. There would be a few extra stories in the histories.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60268826804887117512013-03-05T20:03:11.528-06:002013-03-05T20:03:11.528-06:00black folks were terrorized; we did not use terror...black folks were terrorized; we did not use terror as a weapon. and i say that in the sense of realpolitik and acknowledging 1) the asymmetrical strategy of the palestinians and also 2) how they too are terrorized by the israelis.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76252759615291588852013-03-05T19:59:58.904-06:002013-03-05T19:59:58.904-06:00I don't know CD. Seems kind of similar. On top...I don't know CD. Seems kind of similar. On top of what you mentioned, as the plight of the Palestinians. I understand that they are also a source of cheap labor for Israelis. In other words they need the labor but don't want to grant the dignity. I bet if Rosa Parks, had a few IED's, knew how to make them, and could readily get her hands on the material, she might have lobbed one or two at SOMEBODY. Or someone else would have. It just seems to me, that for a people who have lived through similar treatment, there should be a visceral revulsion to even proposing such a thing.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13608648403767638352013-03-05T17:43:21.738-06:002013-03-05T17:43:21.738-06:00"Grown folks!" lmfao! Nuance is cool. ..."Grown folks!" lmfao! Nuance is cool. Don't let the tail wag the dog.Bad Companynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25649934407437032782013-03-05T13:42:48.467-06:002013-03-05T13:42:48.467-06:00I have heard of that too. We often don't talk ...I have heard of that too. We often don't talk about anti-black racism among arabs as it isn't a neat fit for the "people of color" assumed alliance--which really isn't--among non-whites in the U.S.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-798566979080152842013-03-05T13:39:12.647-06:002013-03-05T13:39:12.647-06:00There was plenty of armed resistance in South Afri...There was plenty of armed resistance in South Africa against apartheid and the regime in Pretoria also labelled the actions of groups like Umkhonto We Sizwe to be terrorism. So maybe this is a difference with part of the US Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s. Although the Black Panthers in the late 1960s were hardly pacifists. But, it does not in anyway justify Israeli apartheid and it makes Palestine closer in terms of comparison to what actually happened in African settler states such as Algeria, Kenya, and Rhodesia where there was a lot of asymmetrical violence against racist colonialism all of which was termed terrorism by the white regimes in power.j.ottopohlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43687079888290303552013-03-05T13:02:59.455-06:002013-03-05T13:02:59.455-06:00I didn't say the Palestinians were not oppress...I didn't say the Palestinians were not oppressed. I said the busing policy is different. <br /><br /><br />Whites were never at a security risk from black Americans. Blacks were terrorized by whites.<br /><br /><br />This is a nuanced claim, relax and reflect.<br /><br /><br />Now folks talk about Jim and Jane Crow, i.e. to include the gendered nature of the discrimination. That is how the grown folks talk about this issue.<br /><br /><br />Folks who do comparative race studies usually talk about South Africa, the U.S., Israel, and Australia. No one says they are the same. Just that they are constituted as racial settler states with much in common. <br /><br /><br />Again, more grown folks talk as Mark Henry would say.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6100265692061043592013-03-05T12:34:49.678-06:002013-03-05T12:34:49.678-06:00i´m also wondering why nobody is speaking about th...i´m also wondering why nobody is speaking about the racial segregation of black people in palestinian territories? they define themselves as whites towards this blacks people and as established a white supremacy like structure. When i discovered that, i lost any interest in supporting or being interested in the palestinians struggels against israel with whom they share the same animus against black peoplerorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35365315655482183872013-03-05T08:12:59.918-06:002013-03-05T08:12:59.918-06:00'The application of a narrative wherein the se...'The application of a narrative wherein the segregated buses of Birmingham and Selma are deemed comparable to the "segregated buses" running from the West Bank falls flat because the black community was not engaged in acts of retaliation or warfare against white society.'<br /><br /><br /><br />Huh? What? It falls flat on that single factor? In that case a comparison of Jim Crow (who the hell is Jane Crow?) with apartheid South Africa falls flat as well. No form of racist oppression is exactly the same in every nation that practices it. <br /><br /><br />Palestinians, as a black American, I authorize you to make the analogy of my situation and your own. When oppression is this bad, you have to oppose it. By any means necessary, in the words of your Muslim cousin..Bad Companynoreply@blogger.com