tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post6738598078352349472..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Zora on Film: Has Hollywood Helped Pave the Way for Obama?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20078952323625026812008-02-05T10:35:00.000-06:002008-02-05T10:35:00.000-06:00ok, gordon.ok, gordon.Zorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11955073272335213471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20399963086389166142008-02-05T06:29:00.000-06:002008-02-05T06:29:00.000-06:00But Zora, with the exception of Dodd, Biden, and p...But Zora, with the exception of Dodd, Biden, and perhaps Romney, all of the candidates are/were ideas, whether positive or negative:<BR/><BR/>Clinton<BR/>Edwards<BR/>McCain <BR/>Huckabee<BR/>Giuliani<BR/>Paul<BR/>Richardsongordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3662880554632270142008-02-04T08:57:00.000-06:002008-02-04T08:57:00.000-06:00Gordon,I think that we are talking past each other...Gordon,<BR/><BR/>I think that we are talking past each other. I'm not saying that S.C. doesn't count in larger terms, I'm saying that it doesn't count in testing the idea that Obama will have to struggle to win in states with very few blacks.<BR/><BR/>I think that Obama has an uphill battle as his viability is solidified. When Obama is just an idea, whites can vote for him, feel good about voting for a black man, but rest assured that he'll never win. When Obama is a viable challenger, there is a whole other calculus. In Iowa, Obama was an idea ...Zorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11955073272335213471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26946309799514046512008-02-04T07:34:00.000-06:002008-02-04T07:34:00.000-06:00Forgot about Tiny Lister, but he was prez of Earth...Forgot about Tiny Lister, but he was prez of Earth, wasn't he?<BR/><BR/>Zora,<BR/><BR/>We've seen that scenario played out in a caucus (Iowa, where Obama defeated two strong white candidates) and a primary (New Hampshire, where he only lost by 2 percentage points). And in both states, he was trailing by wide margins only weeks earlier.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't have expected you to echo Bill "Southern Strategy" Clinton. If SC doesn't count because of its large number of black voters, do the states with very few black voters not count either?gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40011668428523553352008-02-03T21:05:00.000-06:002008-02-03T21:05:00.000-06:00Don't forget Tiny Lister aka "Debo" as president i...Don't forget Tiny Lister aka "Debo" as president in the 5th Element, haha.Invisible Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299734445263175345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45516411125501411982008-02-03T07:30:00.000-06:002008-02-03T07:30:00.000-06:00S.C. doesn't count because of the large numbers of...S.C. doesn't count because of the large numbers of voting black Democrats. Let's see what happens in the states with very small numbers of blacks.Zorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11955073272335213471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9190551531149505752008-02-03T03:47:00.000-06:002008-02-03T03:47:00.000-06:00Two earlier comedic depictions of black presidents...Two earlier comedic depictions of black presidents come to mind. The first is <A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=EtlDVi_1JMg" REL="nofollow">this one</A> from <I>The Richard Pryor Show</I> 30 years ago. The second was an updated version from <I>In Living Color</I> around 1990. In it, Jesse Jackson was the president in the near future.<BR/><BR/>But I don't understand your interpretation of Obama's loss in New Hampshire. Considering the substantial gap he made up in such a short time, I'd say that talk about the fear he inspired is a bit misplaced in the case of NH.gordon gartrellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453017150507048961noreply@blogger.com