tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post5711987721350661227..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Weekend Semi-Open Thread: They Serve and Speak for Power. Parsing Obama's and de Blasio's Statements About the Killing of Eric GarnerLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81457528545657790942014-12-22T10:36:37.767-06:002014-12-22T10:36:37.767-06:00I'm here, just general holiday and end of year...I'm here, just general holiday and end of year busy-ness. I have been reading, and digesting...a lot of good stuff on here as usual.SWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53799340861446890582014-12-20T02:55:26.931-06:002014-12-20T02:55:26.931-06:00Wow!
One of the yelp comments:
Just wanted a cool...Wow!<br /><br />One of the yelp comments:<br />Just wanted a cool beer or two with some co-workers while we were in <br />town, but once we got in we could tell this place did not care for <br />minorities in their bar (one of us is half black and another is Latino).<br /> We played some pool while old country music blared on the jukebox, <br />but then some guy supposedly named Rodney kept making racist jokes until<br /> we finally left and then Rodney said something like "hope to see you <br />come back a little later tonight". I have no idea what he had in mind <br />for us later at night, but I don't think I'll be back at this hickster's<br /> paradise.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20561253886077048112014-12-20T02:50:49.011-06:002014-12-20T02:50:49.011-06:00Hey SW!
Where ya been?
Re: "As evidenced by...Hey SW!<br /><br />Where ya been?<br /><br />Re: "As evidenced by Ferguson, the system's main concern is not justice or human rights, but the protection of property."<br /><br />That's so true and, ultimately, the whole protection of the status quo is to protect the elites' property and everything that comes from it. (power, status, etc.)kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43144375889374444192014-12-08T13:10:38.637-06:002014-12-08T13:10:38.637-06:00As evidenced by Ferguson, the system's main co...As evidenced by Ferguson, the system's main concern is not justice or human rights, but the protection of property.SWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1849279527610725062014-12-08T11:11:10.938-06:002014-12-08T11:11:10.938-06:00And of course this is all a big joke to some peopl...And of course this is all a big joke to some people; a bar in Missouri is offering a "Michael Brown Drink Special" six shots for ten dollars:<br /><br />http://www.yelp.com/biz/mugshots-st-josephBuddy Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54072003051317227872014-12-08T10:46:37.738-06:002014-12-08T10:46:37.738-06:00Most of what purports to be left/liberal media is ...Most of what purports to be left/liberal media is fake activism with a stake in preserving the status quo. Thankfully your voice and Jacobson's get down to the real nitty gritty.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50104743473751788252014-12-07T19:32:30.797-06:002014-12-07T19:32:30.797-06:00For some exciting news from the North, see www.itc...For some exciting news from the North, see www.itccs.org. Spend some time with it. Real citizen challenge to the status quo!Jonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79772901762532447782014-12-07T15:08:56.181-06:002014-12-07T15:08:56.181-06:00Great quote! White people don't dig it that th...Great quote! White people don't dig it that they are targeted as well. This christian-white-supremacy stuff is so deeply rooted & they're blinded by it. In addition to this there is an unnatural attitude towards life. I'm speaking from inside.Ginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79938255794762704082014-12-07T14:52:28.890-06:002014-12-07T14:52:28.890-06:00Hi Kerry - The insanity is definitely on the white...Hi Kerry - The insanity is definitely on the white-supremacy-side:<br /><br />The prevailing culture & ideology is of European origin, but certainly not of the French, Italian or Slavic one. ... There's a lot of primness, severity & disciplining which definitely is the cause of insanity, & these people stubbornly (compulsively?) won't see it.<br />Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile egg-shell mind<br />(Jim Morrison, "Peace Frog", in <i>Morrison<br />Hotel</i>Of people like Jim is often spoken as 'larger than life', but they ARE life. The establishment is so scared of vitality that they do everything to wipe it out wherever there is glimpse of it.<br /><br />They can't stand it.Ginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54683620027792145642014-12-07T14:06:06.012-06:002014-12-07T14:06:06.012-06:00...the end game is really to pit us all against ea......the end game is really to pit us all against each other in order to free<br /> up the wealthy so they can turn this country into an oligarchical mess.<br />That's already happened. Republicans (more overt authoritarians) vs. Democrats (non-overt authoritarians of all stripes). And we are an oligarchy/plutocracy already. From Piketty's book to the Gilens/Page Princeton/Northwestern study on democracy, the research says that it's true. Case in point: the middle class pay a higher rate income tax than the super rich.<br /><br />The police protect and serve the interests of the oligarchs/plutocrats. Is it any wonder the US is one of the most heavily policed countries in the world?kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80212552451382947062014-12-07T13:11:56.024-06:002014-12-07T13:11:56.024-06:00"I can't breath" is a perfect metaph..."I can't breath" is a perfect metaphorical response to a system that has become corrupt, racist and broken. Its choking the life and aspirations out of all of us. Institutional racism in the forms of an unequal and hostile "justice system," an economic system that as a feature has an unemployment rate for POC that is more than twice that of whites, educational and health care systems that exist as profit centers. Actual education or health care are nothing more than side effects that are not guaranteed.<br /> <br />As for the powers that benefit the most from white supremacy, the end game is really to pit us all against each other in order to free up the wealthy so they can turn this country into an oligarchical mess. The biggest fools in all of this is not black people, but those whites who actually believe blacks are the enemy here. <br /><br />Thus the police are the foot soldiers; the tip of the spear so to speak to protect this process and make it happen. As technology progresses and less people are needed to make and do things, then what? All this "training" in the form of live experience in combat and control, rather than "protect and serve" will prepare them for what they will need to do to protect the few against the masses.Gable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34942574489475113792014-12-07T13:07:19.876-06:002014-12-07T13:07:19.876-06:00Great and well put. And again, a clear and well fo...Great and well put. And again, a clear and well founded thesis that you won't here from the MSM. Matthew Frye Jacobson is another essential voice that should be on the TV and radio all the time but does not get that shine.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89587962910823715182014-12-07T13:06:34.151-06:002014-12-07T13:06:34.151-06:00Extremely well compensated. Again, being a cop or ...Extremely well compensated. Again, being a cop or firefighter was/is one of the ways for white ethnics to become middle and upper class. Graft is part of it.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75226145981160862012014-12-07T13:05:42.799-06:002014-12-07T13:05:42.799-06:00Historical amnesia that is willful. As I have been...Historical amnesia that is willful. As I have been fond of saying as of late, the cause of these problems is not an "unknown unknown". The answers are readily available. But, the con game involves some type of revelation that white racism and white supremacy are real as individual moments and acts, then doing the Total Recall memory implant/erasure/dream (depending on one's take on the movie), then going through the cycle again.<br /><br /><br />total bs. but it works to maintain white dominance.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53227366289278899102014-12-07T09:30:55.023-06:002014-12-07T09:30:55.023-06:00The Populist Progressive 1900's movement extru...The Populist Progressive 1900's movement extruded POC, and the "new ethnicity" of the 70's was a countervailing reaction to the Civil Rights Movement. Likewise, the white ethnic municipal unions are microcosms of the ongoing macrocosm of stratification based on nepotism, dynasty-ism, and the heredity principal.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76619984755384881112014-12-07T07:45:24.653-06:002014-12-07T07:45:24.653-06:00Another taboo subject: a few years ago I kept get...Another taboo subject: a few years ago I kept getting phone calls, requesting donations for police and troopers. The aggressive sales pitch was that the money would go to the widows of these fallen heroes. In return, they send you a little sticker you put on your car "I donated to the police benevolent" or whatever. (People think if they have that sticker, cops will think twice before issuing a speeding ticket - maybe it's true).<br /><br /><br />But the police are in a strong union, stronger than any union I've ever been in. I'm sure the widows are very well compensated, without my help.Buddy Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52172048810967430342014-12-07T06:59:13.530-06:002014-12-07T06:59:13.530-06:00I'm such at a loss for words these days. I'...I'm such at a loss for words these days. I'm so angry, frustrated and disgusted with everything that is going on. I do want to correct something I said earlier something along the lines of racist police officers protected by the justice system. It's so much worse than that. From stop and frisk, broken windows, racial profiling, relentless fines and ticketing of people in black and brown communities, harsher sentences and filling up prisons with people of color —all this comes from the top. Police are trained to view black and brown people as the enemy. And so once the "enemy" has been neutralized, we see such depraved contempt for the already shot or non-breathing human being. It's sickening and deplorable.<br /><br />One quote:<br />White Americans have essentially never internalized the Kerner Report. <br />Assembled by Lyndon Johnson to address what was laughably referred to as<br /> the Negro Problem, the panel very quickly saw that this was a joke. <br />There is no Negro Problem in the US, but rather a white people problem. <br />FIFTY years ago (let that sink in), it opined, “Our nation is moving <br />toward two societies, one black and one white—separate and <br />unequal…Discrimination and segregation have long permeated much of <br />American life; they now threaten the future of every American.” The <br />report explained that the race riots were rooted in segregation, <br />inadequate housing, poor access to quality education, systematic police <br />violence, and labor market exclusion. For these factors, the report <br />concluded, “White racism is essentially responsible.” —<a href="https://www.popularresistance.org/whitey-to-whitey-it-is-white-privilege-that-needs-to-change/" rel="nofollow">Whitey To Whitey: It Is White Privilege That Needs To Change</a>kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1821355808079630312014-12-07T02:56:04.256-06:002014-12-07T02:56:04.256-06:00Great comment. We are on taboo subjects. On the po...Great comment. We are on taboo subjects. On the police is a dangerous job assumption, firefighters also have relatively safe jobs w. great benefits. Those job sectors are great work for white ethnics and semi-skilled folks--especially if you have the family connections...which is why there were protected so intensely as the property of whiteness. If you want to talk about another off limits subject, see all the cops and firefighters on 9-11 who were summoned to do their jobs and faced no danger who are now retired because of how overtime pay and retirement pensions are computed.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24355676719232188012014-12-07T00:55:53.826-06:002014-12-07T00:55:53.826-06:00If you look up police killed in the line of duty b...If you look up police killed in the line of duty by year, something like half of them die from car wrecks or heart attacks or other issues. I saw a post online claiming 18 percent of police killed are from automobile accidents because they weren't wearing seatbelts. I'd think the average per year is that under 60 are killed by actual assaults. I saw another post on police rapists. I wouldn’t be surprised if police rapists alone outweighed cops killed by "felonious actions" over the same span of time. Nevermind other crimes police are regularly convicted of, despite having every escape from the legal system imaginable (aside from extreme personal/corporate wealth).<br /><br />I've been seeing a lot of young Black people in my social networks becoming increasingly 'radicalized' by police violence (their term). They're not so much radicalized as much as they are bringing discussions about armed self-defense back to the fore, despising the attempted control by religion and nonviolent absolutists on what they rightly see as their movement (Al Sharpton has been getting it from Millennial Activists United), and a growing acceptance of using their online communities to strike back at vehement Internet racists via doxxing. <br /><br />I think the only sensible solution going forward is to treat the police as what they are: the footsoldiers of the New Jim Crow, and mount a campaign on disassembling their power as much as possible. Cutting funding, appointing special prosecutors against cops in grand jury trials, creating civilian oversight committees, and essentially reigning in police power wherever possible. The goal should be convincing the American public that we just don't need this kind of policing. This ties into ending the war on drugs, ending private prisons (and eventually all prisons), and a host of other issues that activists have been talking about for years. Putting the emphasis on police means stopping the injustice system before it even gets the chance to start, and I think would be one of the most effective ground-up ways to go forward. Of course I'm always eager for correction on these issues if I'm mistaken.Justin M. Whitehttp://www.justinmwhite.comnoreply@blogger.com