tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post5646907450061270403..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: White Men Like Adam Lanza Commit 70 Percent of the Mass Shootings in the United States. Why is the Media Afraid to Talk About This Obvious Fact?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69189333910482617302015-01-31T15:38:58.313-06:002015-01-31T15:38:58.313-06:00Lost in the discussion is fact that blacks, who ma...Lost in the discussion is fact that blacks, who make up just 13% of the U.S. population, are responsible for 52.4% of all murders, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics --<i>Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008<br />Annual Rates for 2009 and 2010.</i> And of that group, males are responsible for 89.5% of all murders.PerishableNewsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70914815659181916052014-12-03T19:21:47.962-06:002014-12-03T19:21:47.962-06:00Look at the top 30 smartest people in the world. O...Look at the top 30 smartest people in the world. Only one is black, and only part black at that. On average, among whites, blacks, asians, and hispanics, blacks have lowest IQ, followed by hispanics, then whites, then asians. Fact is, blacks aren't smart enough to get a way with mass murder. They get caught on their first. 52.4 of murder crimes in which the race of the offender was known, were black in 2011. 45.2 percent were white. Also something to consider is that 75.1 of people in the US are white. Only 12.3 are black.flagger raggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43538950496360201242014-10-24T18:23:01.421-05:002014-10-24T18:23:01.421-05:00"And white men have committed 70 percent of t..."And white men have committed 70 percent of the mass shooting murders in the United States as sourced from this piece in Mother Jones. By comparison, white men are approximately 30 percent of the population."<br /><br />Nonsense. Utter nonsense. White males only account for 30% of the US population? Your math is terrible. White males represent about 63% of mass shootings,and 33% of the US population. <br /><br /><br /><br />However, Asian males represent around 3% of the US population and represent upwards of 16% of all mass shootings.<br /><br /><br />Which stat is worse?<br /><br /><br />And should we speak about rape statistics and overall murder statistics? Yea, didn't think so Leroy.A. Wyatt Mannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51747930960337181422014-10-24T18:19:40.700-05:002014-10-24T18:19:40.700-05:00"Yes white men are over-represented."
..."Yes white men are over-represented."<br /><br /><br />Not according to reality.A. Wyatt Mannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33423913174761467452014-10-24T18:19:02.678-05:002014-10-24T18:19:02.678-05:00Do white males make up the "vast majority&quo...Do white males make up the "vast majority" of mass shootings in nations where the "vast majority" of people are not white?<br /><br />You may not understand the significance of the question but there is significance to the question.A. Wyatt Mannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85416819847420940622014-08-11T12:16:54.813-05:002014-08-11T12:16:54.813-05:00Has anyone ever thought about the fact that there ...Has anyone ever thought about the fact that there are more white people in the USA than there are black? About 70 percent white, compared to 13 percent black. So it makes sense that there are more white mass murderers. There ARE plenty of black mass murderers.Biff Wellingtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23247891822470351162014-05-27T22:18:20.317-05:002014-05-27T22:18:20.317-05:00you sound stupidyou sound stupidThe Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41977221790839017992014-05-27T22:17:33.186-05:002014-05-27T22:17:33.186-05:00Is this serious? You are clueless. It is a well-kn...Is this serious? You are clueless. It is a well-known stereotype that all school shooters are white. This is only because the metal detectors at black schools force them to kill each other outside of school. yeah, i said it.The Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89833901624634865532014-04-02T17:52:56.300-05:002014-04-02T17:52:56.300-05:00Major Findings
There is more black-on-white than b...Major Findings<br />There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime.<br />Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites.<br />Blacks are therefore up to 250 times more likely to do criminal violence to whites than the reverse.<br />Blacks commit violent crimes at four to eight times the white rate.<br />Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate,and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.<br />Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes.<br /> Hispanics are a hate crime victim category but not a perpetrator category.<br />Hispanic offenders are classified as whites, which inflates the white offense rate and gives the impression that Hispanics commit no hate crimes.<br />Blacks are as much more dangerous than whites as men are more dangerous than women.Joe Smoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59375699809280592412013-09-04T13:18:50.676-05:002013-09-04T13:18:50.676-05:00Person, there has always been a "national con...Person, there has always been a "national conversation" on black men and crime starting far back when racist whites created Birth of a Nation that sowed the ground of the criminalized black men, and through the period of the so-called "war on drug". Learn history!!Akeelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54868828861764166732013-07-29T10:54:47.612-05:002013-07-29T10:54:47.612-05:00Some people are plain stupid. The writer is not sa...Some people are plain stupid. The writer is not saying that there aren't non-white mass murderers. He is saying that the vast majority of mass murderers are white males and that's a fact. White folks make excuses for mass murderers and refused to admit the facts. I am Latino and I am afraid of white males and even stop going to the theater because of them. White males mass murder the Native Americans and their children are following their footsteps.Mirquella Santosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81135784673979523592013-04-01T17:45:22.776-05:002013-04-01T17:45:22.776-05:001. Men do commit most murder and this has been dis...1. Men do commit most murder and this has been discussed extensively. I'm not sure we'll come to the answer anytime soon. As to your comment "Privileged and entitled white men are apparently very prone to killing lots of people" -- on what are you basing this? What are you even talking about? Are you talking about mass shootings in the US? They commit murder at exactly their 'fair share' of the mass murders amongst men. Black males actually commit a slightly higher percentage of mass murders when you take demographics into account. Murders in general are very disproportionately committed by blacks and Hispanics.<br /><br />Your comments about mass shootings in the US are absurd. You say 70% of the mass shootings are done by white men and yet over that period that is about what percent of the population of males that were white. So they probably aren't over-represented at all.<br /><br />You are using slight of hand and you know it.<br /><br />It WOULD be different if Arab-Americans were doing shootings every so many months because they make up a tiny percentage of the population. I would not be surprised if they are over-represented in mass shootings.K Craighttp://profiles.google.com/tfrcomplianceteamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89907245238658282492013-04-01T15:28:49.317-05:002013-04-01T15:28:49.317-05:00There is no over-representation of whites in mass ...There is no over-representation of whites in mass shootings. The author is lying....and quite transparently to anyone with some common sense. <br /><br /><br /><br />The real irony is that unlike any dominance of the past white male dominance has been largely GIVEN AWAY. <br /><br />Who freed the slaves with their own blood? White males.<br />Who forced other white men to allow black men to vote? White males.<br />Who voted to allow white and black women to vote? White males<br />Who voted in the Civil Rights Act? White males.<br /><br /><br />Of course there are thousands of examples of different races dominating, enslaving, or oppressing other groups. Including the oppression of Northern Europeans. And yet it is almost impossible to find are cases where the oppressed group became equals without themselves defeating or at least doing a great deal of harm to the dominant group. Thus white males VOLUNTARILY giving up their privilege and power is a very unique event in world history.<br />Care to point out another example? Care to point out at which point in American or World history whites simply could not defeat the darker-skinned people of the world? The closest we have come in hundreds of years is probably currently because of China.<br /><br />And all the PC left can spare is more hatred for white male. Your racism is equally ugly if not more ugly than that of the white racist.K Craighttp://profiles.google.com/tfrcomplianceteamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22127580212300955212013-04-01T15:10:05.591-05:002013-04-01T15:10:05.591-05:00White nutcases profited from slavery. And there we...White nutcases profited from slavery. And there were blacks and other races who also profited from slavery, including the slavery of white sailors.<br /><br /><br />White nutcases engineered the Holocaust - and blacks nutcases engineered Rwanda and no doubt numerous other genocides lost to history. You fail to note that whites stopped both the Holocaust and Rwanda. So apparently there are whites who aren't "nutcases" and aren't entirely the norm.<br /><br /><br />White nutcases exterminated the Native Americans - would you like to point out to me the other races that were in the position to do this? Would you like to explain to me what was different (outside of scale) about the exterminations that happened amongst many tribes in the US prior to the arrival of whites?<br />White nutcases destroyed the Aztecs.....with help from the Aztec's neighbors - who viciously hated them after suffering horrendous multi-generational oppression.<br /><br />Your white hatred doesn't seem to logically hold up very wellK Craighttp://profiles.google.com/tfrcomplianceteamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74256642290653315262013-03-02T17:24:02.652-06:002013-03-02T17:24:02.652-06:00Nothing frightens me more than a skinny white teen...Nothing frightens me more than a skinny white teenage male with gun and an insecurity complex. Very well written article. Extremely insightful.Sam Larsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23675140288936499552013-02-04T14:59:20.843-06:002013-02-04T14:59:20.843-06:00That is not true ..yes whites have been to blame f...That is not true ..yes whites have been to blame for majority of mass shootings...but u should know the majority of there victims are white as well.much like how black on black murders in every major city every single day and night.briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17308964346400967592013-01-02T02:47:26.773-06:002013-01-02T02:47:26.773-06:00White nutcases are a well established fact of our ...<i>White nutcases are a well established fact of our world. White nutcases profited from slavery. White nutcases engineered the holocaust. White nutcases exterminated the Native Americans. White Nut cases destroyed the Aztecs.</i><br /><br />Except they weren't nutcases. They were the norm.Alliyah Gallowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043902720307040762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15744803126555298982012-12-29T13:00:43.799-06:002012-12-29T13:00:43.799-06:00I got here though vagabond scholar through drift g...I got here though vagabond scholar through drift glass. I will come back again. Your perspective about the invisibility of "whiteness" in relation to crime in the media is well-taken, and an eye-opener to me. Of course, and so obvious when finally said (and said well).<br /><br />But also, on any given day, any given woman is subject to epithets of slut, bitch, frigid man-hating cunt, tossed off from a passing car, a construction site, a spiteful comment from a partner. And violence from women is not the common consequence.<br /><br />Are not these two aspects of your thesis, both of which derive from the power to own, to objectify, to dominate.<br /><br />old white womannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63350732552185505942012-12-25T18:36:33.507-06:002012-12-25T18:36:33.507-06:00Another thing, anything that involves women object...Another thing, anything that involves women objectifying men encourages men to be violent. Men with poor body image are also more likely to be violent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21476187169057631562012-12-25T18:25:06.427-06:002012-12-25T18:25:06.427-06:00Men make up more than 75% of the population which ...Men make up more than 75% of the population which is why they commit more mass murders and it will go on for a couple of years. And women are more likely to be victims of mass murder compared to men because they're usually the targets no matter how equal or dominant they try to be. Men will always be dominant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-14098115323784166132012-12-25T07:51:20.838-06:002012-12-25T07:51:20.838-06:00There is a major flaw in this article. It is esta...There is a major flaw in this article. It is established that females do not commit mass murders. Then they should not be considered in the percentage. White males commit 70 percent and male <br />minorities commit about 30 percent. That would seem to be closer to the actual percent of white males in U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4044650292314893302012-12-22T22:08:51.399-06:002012-12-22T22:08:51.399-06:00Thanks for pointing this out. There is a lot to fi...Thanks for pointing this out. There is a lot to fix in the way the media and many individuals have different reactions to white vs. black violence, but this is more a male problem than a white male problem. Consider also that in many predominantly black schools there is greater security, so that the violence gets taken outside of the school and is not counted as school violence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25033612388038051802012-12-19T16:33:09.891-06:002012-12-19T16:33:09.891-06:00@JK. Thanks for the response.
1. Men commit the ...@JK. Thanks for the response. <br /><br />1. Men commit the most violent crime. We need to discuss this and figure out why. Privileged and entitled white men are apparently very prone to killing lots of people. Why is this? What is going on culturally with white masculinity? Are you not the least bit curious?<br /><br />2. White men are over-represented, by almost twice their number among those who commit mass shooting. I get the slight of hand you are suggesting. I am simply using a basic fact to work through why we do not racialize white crime. What is the fear? Why is their resistance? <br /><br />3. Black men and people of color are racialized relative to these crime memes so there is nothing really new there. Again, how would the argument and the media coverage be different if people of color (or Arab Americans or Muslims) were killing people in mass shootings every so many months? Think harder.<br /><br />4. Quite a few prominent people are picking up my narrative about race, masculinity, and mass shootings. It is now in quite a few prominent places. Don't be a hater now.<br /><br />4. Do white people commit certain types of crimes more than others? Why are many white folks afraid of asking hard questions, apparently against their own self interest--about why their kids and men go off and kill people by the dozens? <br /><br />White privilege and the white racial frame can kill you. They really are noxious.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26844597715243064292012-12-19T13:48:52.098-06:002012-12-19T13:48:52.098-06:00Here's the thing, you aren't treating appl...Here's the thing, you aren't treating apples like apples and oranges like oranges. You're conflating one over-represented statistic (males account for 98% of mass shootings in US) with another somewhat average statistic (white people account for 70% of mass shootings in US) and singling out one race of the many over-represented male demographics in mass shootings to fit your narrative.<br /><br />You never mention the numbers for any other race, Mr. "In elementary school they would tell us to please show your math work." That's ok though, I did a little tallying up of the MJ article. Black males account for 16% of mass shootings in the US but only represent 6% of the population. They compromise more than twice their percentage among mass shooters. Yet, there is no "national conversation" on the matter.<br /><br />Learn to math! Your whole argument stinks, and that's why nobody is talking about your fabricated relationship between white men, guns, and mass violence. It has as much strength as the relationship between black men, guns, and mass violence.JKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32828299116530929652012-12-17T21:45:18.821-06:002012-12-17T21:45:18.821-06:00@mb. hell of a thing ain't it? and no where ne...@mb. hell of a thing ain't it? and no where near the ink, real or otherwise is expended on really solving that puzzle. black folks lives are cheap and disposable. and so many of us have internalized that decision rule to enable murder.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.com