tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post5140298536426975300..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Open Thread: Some Questions and a Request For Introductions and Sharing From Our Readers and CommentersLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-66567581896948043542014-05-16T05:28:51.536-05:002014-05-16T05:28:51.536-05:00Great and thorough comment. "Empirical resear...Great and thorough comment. "Empirical research" has supported sexism, racism, and other types of injustice too. Share more about your feline friend...chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17956381197058999362014-05-12T12:27:33.392-05:002014-05-12T12:27:33.392-05:00I have been lurking since ~2009, maybe 2010?
I f...I have been lurking since ~2009, maybe 2010? <br /><br />I find that much of your content on WARN is stuffs I have to marinate in and/or are conversations where I doubt my contributions are improvements over my silence. But as I love your prose specifically, Chauncey, and overall quality of the conversation and commentariate, I stop by to marinate some more, at least a couple of times a week.<br /><br />IRL I am a clinical researcher & a parent advocate for eating disorders (agin' ED, but *for* better understanding, funding and treatment), and frequent the s/j and eating disorder blogosphere. I am growing to hate that "real world" distinction; one of the truly amazing things (to me, anyway) about the interwebs is how they give far-flung and marginalized peoples, the communities that are denied them by their "real world" peers. <br /><br /><br />Isolate and conquer is the way to go if your goal is to exploit and manipulate big-brained social animals such as ourselves. The internet and other virtual media subvert this, in ways tree-ware never has.<br /><br />"You likely have noticed that reading online has changed your ability to process and retain information. Apparently, there is an emerging body of empirical research which supports that intuition."<br /><br />I have to say that I am deeply suspicious of much of this "emerging body of empirical research". Being critical of the literature is a requirement of my profession, it's true. But as I've opined before, academia - and academic research - is a tool of The State as well. It seems a little too pat and neat, that this body of science, is emerging *now* as marginalized communities and interests are using virtual communication effectively, for social and political causes. At the SAME time that USian interests have started to fight hard to undo net neutrality. File under things that make me go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.<br /><br />Is it a fun pet story that my feline housemate recently honored me with a decapitated rat at the foot of the stairs? Kitteh is not to be fooled with when he smells a rat ;->IrishUpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55161660699256118902014-05-12T03:16:40.246-05:002014-05-12T03:16:40.246-05:00His name wasn't that interesting. He truly is ...His name wasn't that interesting. He truly is a copy of Obama. A clone.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53271554034259211252014-05-12T03:15:36.056-05:002014-05-12T03:15:36.056-05:00Race Traitor is a great resources. 2008? Long haul...Race Traitor is a great resources. 2008? Long haul. Appreciated. Question. From your perspective how have we changed here, positive, negative, and everything in between, from how we began to how things are now?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63328239256289578122014-05-10T19:46:52.589-05:002014-05-10T19:46:52.589-05:00Hey CD, I am sure whichever way that will make it ...Hey CD, I am sure whichever way that will make it no extra strain on what you do already, would work just fine. As far as understanding, I suppose it is trying to understand how we get through this next phase intact. I think it lies in understanding how we got through the past, both slavery and civil rights. We'd have to recognize how what is going on now is tied into what has happened in the past or we're lost, again. I think one of the first articles I read from you was how prominent newspapers (i.e. NYT) was complicit, during Jim Crow, in criminalizing blacks, men in particular.That shaped how society views black men now, and contributes to how black crime is still reported. <br /><br />Anyway, the more that is out there to know, the more there is a chance of someone happening upon it.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65961523041640470262014-05-10T19:33:37.871-05:002014-05-10T19:33:37.871-05:00Is it Guy DiSilva?Is it Guy DiSilva?Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4327248067779525522014-05-10T19:23:24.673-05:002014-05-10T19:23:24.673-05:00Big Daddy O: Too Big to Fail
The White House: Ch...Big Daddy O: Too Big to Fail<br /><br /><br />The White House: Change is CummingMyshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88701550121608282712014-05-10T17:58:43.145-05:002014-05-10T17:58:43.145-05:00A Black Man in the Oval OrificeA Black Man in the Oval OrificeMyshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68002545299000271592014-05-10T17:52:09.623-05:002014-05-10T17:52:09.623-05:00How about Commander-in-SheetsHow about Commander-in-SheetsMyshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62622368690940529222014-05-10T14:57:47.826-05:002014-05-10T14:57:47.826-05:00Even the the ones that claim to be mainstream cons...Even the the ones that claim to be mainstream conservatives are fascists. There's a fine line between Ron Paul and the Grand Dragon if there's any line at all.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-84982500430662053872014-05-09T21:45:41.386-05:002014-05-09T21:45:41.386-05:00Great use of timeless wisdom there.Great use of timeless wisdom there.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31125722809311278652014-05-09T19:19:25.335-05:002014-05-09T19:19:25.335-05:00Wow, I guess I have been lurking for awhile if thi...Wow, I guess I have been lurking for awhile if this has been around since 2008. That's when I found you right after my 2nd daughter was born. I don't know that anything short of the open invitation like this would have gotten me to post. I guess I keep coming back for the same reasons I come back to any source of information/opinion. I'm intrigued, challenged, and (most importantly for my ego) constantly nod or shake my head going "I know, man, I know." It's the constant reminding that there are nearly zero contemporary or historical issues that aren't touched by the construct of Whiteness and how maddeningly difficult it is to make that point without being told "how far we've come" and such issues are in the past. Especially now that asinine terms like "reverse racism" are getting tossed around by family and co-workers with increasing frequency. I just saw your link to Race Traitor the other day. Thanks for that. They just got a new subscriber.<br /><br /> I wouldn't complain about more Ghetto Nerd posts. I'm a late comer to comics related nerdness, but until I was eight I lived in a pretty ghetto neighborhood, and this black kid across the street was freaking obsessed with Star Wars. Dude would get PISSED if I ever tried to be Lando. "It ain't right, man! It ain't right!" <br /><br />Anyway, keep it up please. I've got this ever expanding mental list of things I can't wait to have my girls read when they're old enough and your writing is up there. Speaking of kids, do you (or anyone) have any suggested works for the younger set (5-7) regarding white privilege? Do such works exist? The books I see at the library, even the ones geared for older ages, seem a little cotton candy in their depictions of racial injustice. Even when they don't spare some of the brutality, they always seem to end on that last infuriating chapter of "Isn't America so much better now that we don't turn the dogs and hoses on children? Whew, glad that's over, move along now..."Ah, Bartleby!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13483577657752958762014-05-09T13:38:11.879-05:002014-05-09T13:38:11.879-05:00The RZA and GZA are smart folks. And I am all for ...The RZA and GZA are smart folks. And I am all for collective economics. But some of the new members, i..e Ghostface's son, just aren't ready for prime time.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48400555004159954872014-05-09T10:42:59.484-05:002014-05-09T10:42:59.484-05:00Yes, I have that report authored by Leonard Zeskin...Yes, I have that report authored by Leonard Zeskind and Devin Burghart and the NAACP. My analysis is that the Tea Party is not separate from the Christian Right; Ron Paul is as much a Christian nationalist as is a white nationalist; race has everything to do with the GOP, the Christian Right, the Patriot militia, and the Tea Party, but the animus is much larger than a black-white dichotomy: they are as opposed to Voting Rights as they are to Civil Rights; they are as opposed to gay rights as they are reproductive rights; they are as opposed to Science as they are to Liberalism. They all have a vision of America in which most of us do not appear to be fit to be first class citizens.James Estrada-Scaminaci IIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-64058703087516467682014-05-09T10:38:08.490-05:002014-05-09T10:38:08.490-05:00When I was working in intelligence, right after Cl...When I was working in intelligence, right after Clinton was elected one of my co-workers suggested Clinton should be shot. I verbally chastised him--the President is the President. I had seen too many our leaders shot down. We can disagree with his or her policies, but we cannot call for his assassination--unless we want to emulate a banana republic. I disagreed with Bush the Younger on everything, but I did my job. What we face in this country is warfare--political, economic, moral, and epistemological warfare. The GOP under the sway of the Christian Right hold almost all of us--as illegitimate whether on the grounds of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, free thinking, or not a fundamental Christian. Everything the GOP/Christian Right is to deny all of us our legitimate rights.James Estrada-Scaminaci IIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-56707801314878426892014-05-09T10:09:30.704-05:002014-05-09T10:09:30.704-05:00I came to this subject through sociology in 1973. ...I came to this subject through sociology in 1973. I had an influential prof who turned me on to Julius Wilson, John Dollard, Calvin Hernton, C.W. Mills, Herbert Marcuse, Eric Fromm, Richard Hofstadter, Karl Mannheim, and Marx. I think that white supremacy is the proper focus because it constitutes the social contract between poor whites and the super rich, two groups that should rightfully be enemies; this exposes the right's Achilles heal. Rightist propaganda can't pass inspection and your essays are helping to make this fact well known.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44715262425319783682014-05-09T09:16:30.406-05:002014-05-09T09:16:30.406-05:00You might be interested in Ben Jealous's "...You might be interested in Ben Jealous's "Tea Party Nationalism," its on the net.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12807226165315184062014-05-09T08:47:39.860-05:002014-05-09T08:47:39.860-05:00At this point, I'm painting things for the kid...At this point, I'm painting things for the kids. Think Harry Potter, Cheshire Cats, Tinkerbell, our dogs, etc. So the style is either Pixar or my own. I expect to do more painting once I'm retired. I never had the patience for the starving artist route.<br /><br /><br />I love crows. We get several murders of them in the downtown every winter - 30,000 easily. It appears as though they are just there to socialize through the cold winter winter months. You could probably feed your neighbor and make a friend. That's probably why he's yelling at you in the first place ("Hey! Can you eat that bag Doritos all by yourself?!?")DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74411186368073105972014-05-09T07:58:53.415-05:002014-05-09T07:58:53.415-05:00Here's my issues blog: http://whosefacestares...Here's my issues blog: http://whosefacestares.blogspot.com/ And if you friend would like to here other voices & join the conversation, here's a forum for adult adoptees. I can't claim to speak for everyone: http://adultadoptees.org/index.html/lionessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57215676981560066782014-05-09T07:53:19.990-05:002014-05-09T07:53:19.990-05:00thank you. You talk about this stuff in your blog...thank you. You talk about this stuff in your blog? Do you have a link?Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27254527461308082702014-05-09T03:43:26.021-05:002014-05-09T03:43:26.021-05:00Sabrinabee you are always on point. Share more abo...Sabrinabee you are always on point. Share more about what you are trying to understand? You got some money in the bank there with a book club. I was thinking of that or a version where I post a video or documentary each week or so and we talk about it.<br /><br /><br />Do you think that would work?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68146995566881126992014-05-09T02:04:21.565-05:002014-05-09T02:04:21.565-05:00Can't argue w. that. I am glad you are living ...Can't argue w. that. I am glad you are living righteously. But, on the off chance, you happen to see Clarence Thomas walking out of ATLAH please do take some pictures.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87584089117520054872014-05-08T23:04:47.941-05:002014-05-08T23:04:47.941-05:00"he suggested that President Obama was not th..."he suggested that President Obama was not the legitimate president (a <br />foreigner) and that some in the military did not want to obey the <br />Commander in Chief." I first heard that remark made early in Clinton's first term. Someone was talking to a Rpublican Senator or Congressmen about "our President" and he snapped back, "He's YOUR President, not MINE!" And the storyteller (and I) sat up and went, "This is different." Even during the height of the Watergate scandal, Nixon was still OUR President. He was nearly impeached, but never disowned. The level of disconnection Republicans developed with Clinton and refined with Obama was a whole new ball game.lionessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40674081758768002622014-05-08T22:20:38.751-05:002014-05-08T22:20:38.751-05:00I'm just a regular ole black gal, who became c...I'm just a regular ole black gal, who became curious to understand just what is going on in the world and within the black community. I grew tired of seeing blacks portrayed in such a negative light when, I knew that the people I grew up with were not some sort of alien life form that must be treated as an other entity. I think it was politics, or rather, certain politicians, that set off this feeling that we are not viewed as normal people. At some point we have to stand up and take notice.<br /><br />I ran across your blog some years ago, now. And I hop back and forth between you and others sources, while trying to understand more of the world, as well. I think there is more interconnectedness than many of us are aware of. Often times I am too tired trying to catch up with everything that I don't read you as regularly as I'd like. But, I come back here because you speak to what I am trying to understand. And though I am not particularly scholarly,I appreciate the knowledge that you impart in your posts, long or not.<br /><br /><br /><br />If you are asking for suggestions though, why not a book club? Specifically, some of the books you have listed? Not, that I am entirely certain where I will find the time but, I think it will be useful because, Oprah isn't reading these types of books.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91314195986698452552014-05-08T21:32:58.448-05:002014-05-08T21:32:58.448-05:00Not a bit. You might want to pass on this video a...Not a bit. You might want to pass on this video as well. It's a much more concise description of what many adoptees go through than you usually find in public: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pX4C-mtiIlionessnoreply@blogger.com