tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post480909609745271834..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Let's Be Honest, George Zimmerman Killed Trayvon Martin Because Black People are ScaryLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78732661872040071522012-03-27T16:18:04.349-05:002012-03-27T16:18:04.349-05:00@CNu
Then tell me, why haven't you simply cre...@CNu<br /><br />Then tell me, why haven't you simply created or joined a gun show with mostly Black attendants, in honor of your father's legacy at the very least? I'm sure they exist, and if they don't you could always organize them. I don't see why you, or I, or any Black person should have to engage a predominately White and insidiously racist environment when we can simply strike out on our own. <br /><br />I mean really, who's the frightened one here? You who purposefully enters a White environment and ride the coat-tails of White gun subculture with smiles and courtesy, or I who desire more Black environments with the same level of courtesy. And in that light, are you really one to call me feminized? A feminized Black Man is intentionally, or subconsciously, a non-threat to White hegemony (and gay, apparently, but that describes neither of us). And what is more compliant with White hegemony than taking your son to a mostly White gun show that revolves around a mostly White subculture? <br /><br />Conflating our right to gun ownership with White gun subculture is a recipe for disaster. We can't empower ourselves through involvement in a movement or subculture that we did not create and have little, if any, influence therein. If your son were gunned down by police while carrying the gun he legally owned and concealed, David Keene and the NRA wouldn't say a word in his defense. They'll say "he had a gun, the cops were endangered" and pat them on the back for a job well done (God forbid your son use his gun to defend himself). And if that were to happen, wouldn't justice be easier to achieve if there were a Black gun organization to defend you and your son's right to own and carry? Don't you see that it's in our best interest as Black people to organize around gun ownership independently of Whites, or does someone always have to die first?<br /><br />A Reactionary is someone who desires to return to a previous state (Status quo ante). That's the exact opposite of what I am.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14738695941956941298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18651635315209142412012-03-27T14:39:20.684-05:002012-03-27T14:39:20.684-05:00@D.
That rate is probably higher among gang member...@D.<br />That rate is probably higher among gang members. LOL. Did I mention I have bullet holes in my house?nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85486700052762853932012-03-27T14:24:57.128-05:002012-03-27T14:24:57.128-05:00@nomad
Well, I recall Black gun ownership being 1...@nomad<br /><br />Well, I recall Black gun ownership being 15%, verses Whites at 36%. I could be wrong. I found a blog that mentions it, but have I've yet to find the source itself.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14738695941956941298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27405792070589098582012-03-27T14:15:17.251-05:002012-03-27T14:15:17.251-05:00I have a problem with you taking your son to a Red...<i>I have a problem with you taking your son to a Redneck gun rally, and being cordial with "Yes ma'am" and "Yes sir".</i><br /><br />lol, the only problem you have is that you're a reactionary, emotional, low-information, and highly feminized jiggaboo. <br /><br />When I hop on the bus in the morning, the first thing out of my mouth is "Good Morning" and when I hop back off again, "Thank you ma'am" or "Thank you sir" - "You have a good day". <br /><br />Bus drivers wait for me, spot me fare, and do me favors, all on the strength of a smile and a little courtesy.<br /><br />Back to the subject at hand, gun shows are commercial productions for the public at large. You're more than welcome to attend any gun show you see fit to attend.<br /><br />Had you anything remotely approaching a clue, you'd know that the primary beneficiaries of gun shows are the attendees who buy, sell, and trade with one another under the rubric of the gunshow loophole. (google it)<br /><br />Now, if you're really naive and ignorant enough to believe you would be anything less than highly courteous in an assemblage of heavily armed men and women, and that it's cowardly to meet extreme politeness with extreme politeness, then you obviously have no inkling of the history and origins of courtesy, courtly behavior and the authentic origins of manners. <br /><br />By your reckoning, samurai were all cowards, what with their circumspect and highly formalized manners and all..., it's exactly that type of degenerate and emotionally reactionary baby-boy isht what get's young ninjas needlessly shot to death in the street, and you know what, good riddance!CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18691997107788605882012-03-27T12:36:53.758-05:002012-03-27T12:36:53.758-05:00I dunno bout yall, but I stay in the hood. Far as ...I dunno bout yall, but I stay in the hood. Far as I can tell erbody round here got guns.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36600053609935252352012-03-27T12:28:17.745-05:002012-03-27T12:28:17.745-05:00@CNu
So no, I've no problem with your zeal fo...@CNu<br /><br />So no, I've no problem with your zeal for Black gun ownership. I have a problem with you taking your son to a Redneck gun rally, and being cordial with "Yes ma'am" and "Yes sir". That's cowardly, and I cannot fathom someone from the BPP and the NOI doing such a thing.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14738695941956941298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79171314842229572352012-03-27T11:56:42.021-05:002012-03-27T11:56:42.021-05:00@Cnu
You presume much. I too believe that we shou...@Cnu<br /><br />You presume much. I too believe that we should own guns. In fact, lets call it the Negro Gun Club. Hell, I believe we should own the whole damn country.<br /><br />Though the BPP and NOI prove my point. Both organizations were dismantled and weakened by US counter intelligence. So the solution isn't simply owning guns (though we should) and fighting them in the streets, the solution is to fuck them over with economic dominance.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14738695941956941298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62893416847918367772012-03-27T11:40:52.112-05:002012-03-27T11:40:52.112-05:00But, what if we other Darkies started our own gun ...<i>But, what if we other Darkies started our own gun rallies without Redneck/NRA "supervision"?</i><br /><br />rotflmbao..., air and opportunity.<br /><br />but as we both know, <i>feminized jiggaboo</i>, since you specialize in little more than rolling your neck and whooping your gums - that hypothetical will NEVER be put to the test - will it?<br /><br />Growing up when stuff was really scary, BPP, NOI, and other politically radicalized dignitaries made regular procession through my father's house. We WERE the gun rally for a big swath of the black U.S. - and I bet your pansy-assed peeps were scurred and hiding back then too!CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20059902287937950422012-03-27T11:08:56.253-05:002012-03-27T11:08:56.253-05:00@CNu
I too have been around Rednecks. It works li...@CNu<br /><br />I too have been around Rednecks. It works like this: if they know you, they're polite and friendly. If they don't know you, they're suspicious and afraid. In other words, we're like dogs to them: family pets or dangerous strays.<br /><br />So you, having walked into a Redneck gun rally, have proven yourself a family pet. No one aside from a "Good Darkie" would go to such a place, so of course they gave you no trouble. But, what if we other Darkies started our own gun rallies without Redneck/NRA "supervision"? What would happen if Black gun ownership were to increase, as the blogger says it should? Why, your lovable Rednecks would take it as a declaration of war. And that's really why most non-criminal Blacks don't own guns. If individuals are killed by police and vigilantes for magically transforming skittles and wallets into deadly weapons, <b>we'd be destroyed if we actually went about arming ourselves with actual weapons.</b>D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14738695941956941298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41408735177711511112012-03-27T09:50:15.016-05:002012-03-27T09:50:15.016-05:00Even if the 140 lb kid did punch 250 lb Zimmerman,...Even if the 140 lb kid did punch 250 lb Zimmerman, the Stand Your Ground sword cuts 2 ways. After all, Zim initiated the confrontation:<br />(http://agonist.org/actor_212/20120327/false_equivalence)<br /> ...the claim that Martin turned around and beat upon Zimmerman-- keep in mind that Martin weighed only 140 pounds, while Zimmerman is a beast of 250-- is only going to feed the impression that Trayvon felt his own life was in danger and rather than running, he turned and decided to "Stand Your Ground," which is precisely what that law allows for: the use of force, even deadly force, if one feels one is in harm's way or in mortal danger. After all, who picks a fight with someone twice as big as he is unless he feels its the only way to safety?<br />And that is the only conclusion that can legally be drawn from Zimmerman's own words and the 911 call tapes.<br />See, the "Stand Your Ground" law is very specific: it doesn't matter what the intent of the apparent attacker is, what matters is the intent perceived by the defendant. In fact, the law is so loosely drawn that the authorities are not permitted to even question that perception the moment the defendant claims he acted out of fear for his safety.<br />Zimmerman had followed Martin for quite a while if the 911 tapes are accurate, long enough that the dispatcher asked him to stop following Martin.<br />If someone twice my size started following me down a street, I know I would feel threatened, and while my first instinct would be to run away, under Florida law, Martin was not required to: he merely had to turn and use deadly force against Zimmerman.<br />So under Florida law, it is Zimmerman who is guilty of assault, and it is Zimmerman who rightly should be lying dead from the use of deadly force under "Stand Your Ground." Martin was not armed, however, so Zimmerman should thank his lucky stars he'll live to see trial.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23502188376853688012012-03-27T07:59:34.164-05:002012-03-27T07:59:34.164-05:00You are a stomp down man Cnu, what would you do if...<i>You are a stomp down man Cnu, what would you do if the neighborhood thug wanna be cop fetishizer ran you down, a person with no authority, save for what white people give him--either in perception or reality? You would comply? You don't strike me as the naturally deferent negro type.</i><br /><br />lol, CDV - lifelong negros with guns <a href="http://www.dreamandhustle.com/no-you-go-git-your-gun-boy-i-said-git/comment-page-1/#comment-414" rel="nofollow">deport themselves very differently</a> than negroes who read about negros with guns..., if for no other reason than that emotionality is both the mind and the people killer.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65610465582145335982012-03-26T19:17:28.937-05:002012-03-26T19:17:28.937-05:00CDV, the efforts to criminalize this child who di...CDV, the efforts to criminalize this child who did not set out his home that day to cause anyone harm, in order to do exactly what they are criticizing Sharpton for, politicizing, is alarming. <br /><br />This IS about gun laws because if not for the license to kill that allowed this man to escape scrutiny there would have at least been an intiatiation of the justice process, whether this man was acquitted or not. And there should be attention drawn to this laws and those that have already been allowed to use this law to get away with killing with themselves being the only remaining witness. It would be interesting to know the demographics.<br /><br />This IS about race because this man fixated on young black men in his neighborhood as was evidence by the numerous calls he made to 911 and was apparantly peering at Trayvon through those same lenses that make young black men appear suspect. <br /><br />And yes, I agree, this is about so many more aspects that it is difficult to simply pin them down.<br /><br />Now there are calls for what they deem to be irrationality, the outcry, to be quelled, to quiet us with disingenuous pleas for reason while using unreasoned arguments.. Doing so discounts the fact that had there not been an outcry no one would have been the wiser that someone was about to get away with murdering a young black child. Doing so, adrowns out Trayvon's voice and allows Zimmerman's 'version' to take the place of truth.<br /><br />And before it is mentioned yes, we know that young black kids are killing each other and yes our hearts brak because of it but, should that mean that we are not supposed to be outraged when someone kills our kids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27737592501930311982012-03-26T18:08:12.249-05:002012-03-26T18:08:12.249-05:00@Sabrina. You beat me to it. Lets say Trayvon defe...@Sabrina. You beat me to it. Lets say Trayvon defended himself against that brigand. Who gave Zimmerman the right to play cop, harass and follow him, corner him, and then if the tapes are to be believed, Zimmerman was aggressively pursuing a private citizen. <br /><br />If I were facing a kook like Zimmerman I would not wait for him to attack me, folks in the neighbohood likely knew that Zimmerman also had an obsession with young black people. Why do we expect our lives and safety to be secondary to the ability of others to impose themselves on us?<br /><br />This whole matter just keeps getting worse and worse. Than are so many assumptions about race, authority and comportment at play here that I do not know where to begin.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70690924679600438202012-03-26T17:58:27.460-05:002012-03-26T17:58:27.460-05:00I cannot believe what I am reading. I guess it is ...I cannot believe what I am reading. I guess it is correct that the new racism is denying racism. <br /><br />Who in their right mind would believe that a city which is under fire for the complete ineptness or callous indifference to this child's life would not manage to acquire someone willing to confirm this man's version of events? Thereby providing a justification for why they did not perform a complete investigation. Especially considering the history of this department where they had a reluctance to arrest people who commit crimes against blacks. Where was this so called witnesses 911 call that should have been released with the other arbitrary 911 witness calls? Why is he coming out now as opposed to two or three weeks ago? <br /><br />Listen to those tapes and the screaming stop at the sound of gunshot, not before as it would if somebody realized that they no longer needed help because they were going to shoot the person who I supposedly assaulting them. <br /><br />Look at the police reports, one was computer stamped as printed immediately after the event (2/28) the second was computer stamped printed several days after (3/6) the day it was faxed. Why the disparity in dates? <br /><br />Even without the accounts of what happened upon contact. The idea that he selected this child to follow, whether he did it bcause he was black initially, certainly shored up his resolve to not let him get away because "these assholes ALWAYS, get away" and of course tolerant people don't use words like "effing coon". HE DID NOT IN ANY CAPACITY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHASE SOMEONE DOWN AND QUESTION THEM!!!<br /><br />I'll take the 911 calls that show the intention of the Zimmerman to approach and the desire of this kid to run in order to get away from someone who he is fearful of, over the improbable tales that suggest that this kid who was just minutes ago running, suddenly became the aggressor exempt in an effort to defend himself from some large guy bearing down on him.<br /><br />And the topper is, I didn't know that our desire to see justice done should be mindful of whether we are going to drive people over to the conservatives! WOW! Really?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-86982679775586246692012-03-26T16:20:36.826-05:002012-03-26T16:20:36.826-05:00Hey CD long time no blog. Unfortunately I have bee...Hey CD long time no blog. Unfortunately I have been too busy to indulge but since I do live in Florida and I am an attorney I figured I would out in my two white cents for what it's worth. <br /><br />I personally have no idea exactly what happened that night but I heard this morning there was a new eyewitness that confirmed alot of what Americanbankster says a few posts above mine. This witness even said it was Zimmerman who screamed on the 911 tape just before the shot, not Trayvon. <br /><br />I think the Stand Your Ground Law is pretty scary but all I would say right now is that maybe we should wait until all of the facts (or at least some more of them) are in before we start drawing conclusions about what may have motivated Mr. Zimmerman. Frankly, I had no idea that Trayvon was such a large kid and if he did get into a fight with Zimmerman like some of these new witnesses say, and he was on top of Zimmerman on the ground, it would have been self-defense even in the absence of the Stand Your Ground Law. One thing I have learned as a lawyer for the past 20 years is that you should not belive everything you hear, especially the first accounts of anything as emotional as this incident. The truth is almost always somewhere in the middle.<br /><br />Clearly, you could find thousands of these types of incidents that have occured in our country and many which were much more clearly racially-motivated. I would just caution everyone to be a litle more circumspect before we leap to any conclusions about this one, and before we annoint Trayvon as a completely blameless victim of racism. Just sayin!Chris Sharpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60314352510948960472012-03-26T15:10:57.763-05:002012-03-26T15:10:57.763-05:00@Cnu. Predictable spin. Sully the victim of murder...@Cnu. Predictable spin. Sully the victim of murder. Not surprising.<br /><br /> You are a stomp down man Cnu, what would you do if the neighborhood thug wanna be cop fetishizer ran you down, a person with no authority, save for what white people give him--either in perception or reality? You would comply? You don't strike me as the naturally deferent negro type.<br /><br />Violating your Constitutional Rights? I for one hope Trayvon popped him in the mouth. We will never know because the only story is that of a highly suspect and unreliable witness who was told to stay away, had an obsession with "black criminals" and likely used a racial slur when chasing someone he had no right to pursue.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81300168718272116312012-03-26T14:55:36.677-05:002012-03-26T14:55:36.677-05:00Professional racism-chasing is about to take some ...Professional racism-chasing is about to take some heavy and well-deserved body blows http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-police-report?newsfeed=trueCNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91419645203476471802012-03-26T12:47:29.676-05:002012-03-26T12:47:29.676-05:00Chancey you should just walk away from this one ma...Chancey you should just walk away from this one man.Dan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07724278096228063876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75508654204067071192012-03-26T12:19:23.315-05:002012-03-26T12:19:23.315-05:00He was obviously an eyewitness.
Beware the idiots...He was obviously an eyewitness.<br /><br />Beware the idiots of March.nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9552977564012305922012-03-26T10:53:59.572-05:002012-03-26T10:53:59.572-05:00George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin after 6'3...George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin after 6'3" athlete Trayvon punched him, jumped him and proceeded to slam Zimmerman's head on a sidewalk.....What would you and I do if we were in the same situation, just let him bash your brains out? Zimmerman only used ONE BULLET (now proven) and the second bullet begging teenager story is FALSE. Yes, it was and is a horrible situation and you cannot replace lost lives, but common people, stop making this a racial freakout and a glossed over media circus. All you will accomplish is to show how totally ignorant and frenzy driven you are. White people, Yellow people, Red people and Black people were not to blame, so STOP THE BLAME and ACCUSATIONS. Gun liberals stop using this as an anti gun platform because all you are doing is driving more voters over to the conservative side.Americanbanksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08616568155536975886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12287704463590490092012-03-25T21:40:49.263-05:002012-03-25T21:40:49.263-05:00We've come a long way since giant negroes roam...We've come a long way since giant negroes roamed the earth. Now all we need to do is learn to dress "properly" and social justice will be complete. I say why not take it a step further and rid ourselves of white T-shirts, crew socks and boxer briefs? Can never be too sure if it will be blue jeans on the scary list next so, we should just go ahead and chuck those too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26816089737027993012012-03-25T19:58:26.358-05:002012-03-25T19:58:26.358-05:00@Chauncey
They do. I'm just used to online s...@Chauncey <br /><br />They do. I'm just used to online sarcasm being a lot more venomous so the disdain is unambiguous. Like saying something ridiculous like "Offer a shoe shine" or "If all else fails, imitate Urkel".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58631683026354306572012-03-25T19:17:10.234-05:002012-03-25T19:17:10.234-05:00@Tny. Neutral arbiters of truth!
@Anon. Did the p...@Tny. Neutral arbiters of truth!<br /><br />@Anon. Did the pictures help, or does that take away the bite?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70238024812433502162012-03-25T19:06:43.261-05:002012-03-25T19:06:43.261-05:00@Chauncey
Okay, I thought so, just had to make su...@Chauncey<br /><br />Okay, I thought so, just had to make sure. Sarcasm is a bit hard to get with just text, especially since I thought I had a firm grasp of your style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25701531992229191882012-03-25T18:54:35.583-05:002012-03-25T18:54:35.583-05:00Did he really link something from Stormfront?Did he really link something from Stormfront?Henri B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00892218291117471971noreply@blogger.com