tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post4718397624874018912..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: A Voice of Reason: In the Shadows of Barack vs. West, Joe Feagin Explains Why President Obama Must Be Ninja on All this Race BusinessLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89994899320733063232011-05-20T17:01:33.003-05:002011-05-20T17:01:33.003-05:00Sadly, many of them retain a disproportionate infl...Sadly, many of them retain a disproportionate influence in local politics ranging from school boards, city council, county commisions up through state legislatures and that's the typical path to national elective office.<br /><br />Freedom Inc. Is the local old guard organization in KC to whom Cleaver and his ilk are long beholden. The Hon.Bro.Preznit Double-O brought in his own street team to KC and mopped the floor with Freedom and its minions like Grant took Richmond. <br /><br />Freedom had to my knowledge never previously had its whole black electoral franchise just plain jacked like that before. I'm looking forward to a repeat next yearCNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78384957716040166062011-05-20T16:30:34.714-05:002011-05-20T16:30:34.714-05:00CNu, It seemed to me that the old guard was being ...CNu, It seemed to me that the old guard was being ushered off center stage before Obama came on the scene nationally. Besides, I'm not really looking at it from the perspective of black "leadership", but from the perspective of the black rank-and-file. His Presidency will have no real effect on our success or failure. That's not a criticism, that's just the way it is.Plantsmantxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3148017187925440132011-05-20T12:49:30.675-05:002011-05-20T12:49:30.675-05:00Obama's Presidency will have no significant ef...<i>Obama's Presidency will have no significant effect on the arc of Black America.</i><br /><br />rendering the impotent and shrill old guard obsolete and ushering them off center stage and toward the political and historical door is no small feat.<br /><br />if he succeeds in holding his ground against the supremely tiresome whining and bellyaching of the AIPAC money crowd, then he will have accomplished an historic <b>MOVE BITCH, GET OT THE WAY!!!</b> two-fer...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60762907555501196682011-05-20T09:13:11.294-05:002011-05-20T09:13:11.294-05:00West's talking points create a presidency that...<i>West's talking points create a presidency that values the future of Black America beyond the arc of Obama's tenure.. </i><br /><br />I don't know if I agree about West's talking points, but I do think that when it's all said and done, Obama's Presidency will have no significant effect on the arc of <i>Black America</i>. That's why one reason why the symbolism of his Presidency is really pretty hollow.Plantsmantxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43418344958836255482011-05-19T20:40:42.365-05:002011-05-19T20:40:42.365-05:00As usual our Black Punditry and Black Academia is ...As usual our Black Punditry and Black Academia is falling all over themselves to make some salient point about West & Obama they are good for reactionary tomes van't catch these perps being pro-active..<br /><br />To many seek that dinner or jazz invite from the Obama white house...WTF<br /><br />One revealing aspect of this entire sage is yet again Obama's silence when Black America has a discourse about him Obama can tell jokes about Trump etc but when our concerns are front and center he runs from us like he has NEGROPHOBIA..<br /><br />West was right of course FREE BLACK MALES like me look like Field Niggers to Obama can't have a respectable negro like West and Thrasher on the premisesPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13608839932274103032011-05-19T20:28:58.595-05:002011-05-19T20:28:58.595-05:00West's talking points create a presidency that...West's talking points create a presidency that values the future of Black America beyond the arc of Obama's tenure.. <br /><br /><br />In an Obama white house where FREE BLACK MEN do not exist we have a ME speech where our State department and DOD is absent of any FREE BLACK MEN our kids can die in Middle East Wars and Deals are made in emerging nations but in an Obama White House FREE BLACK MEN are not apart of these decisons<br /><br />Black men in Obama's white house play jazz and pick up championship photos and handshakes..<br /><br />During the OBL kill the MSM floated a photo of the war room and the only Black Face in the place was Obama's of course he could put credentialed Black folks in that room but as West stated in an Obama inner circle FREE BLACK MEN are not present..<br /><br />Today after Obama's super ME speech the major jewish donor groups threaten to withdraw funds form Obama's reelection of course when the chips are down BLACK Folks will be there for Obama despite him not allowing FREE BLACK MEN like me and West and others in the roomPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45840000384840427902011-05-19T20:19:25.741-05:002011-05-19T20:19:25.741-05:00@Plantsmantx
To me, that means that in terms of b...@Plantsmantx<br /><br /><i>To me, that means that in terms of black people, his Presidency is pretty much just symbolic and not that meaningful, and that I should basically view him as a Democratic President.</i><br /><br />Followup on what I posted...that's all the "first black only black" social role is: strictly symbolic. <br /><br />But that's not to say symbols don't have meaning, just the opposite. Symbols help us derive meaning. Without them, there can be no meaning.<br /><br />From there we can get into tokenism (overtly, literally symbolic) and conditions of expectations (based on such perceptions as the bigot equation of black=failure, or the integrationist model of first black=hope for something more [no matter how delusional the hope], or first black/only black as automatic sellout)....all these things are in play not just with Obama but everyone who has been shoved into this social role since Black people have been on these shores.<br /><br />It's not very glamorous to talk about, but I do find it interesting, especially as a teaching tool for Black children in the Obama and what will be the post-Obama age.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1597173746539859172011-05-19T20:09:34.061-05:002011-05-19T20:09:34.061-05:00I have thought much on the following point and am ...<i>I have thought much on the following point and am surprised that more have not signaled to it: Obama as a "first" carries the burdens and dreams of so many on his shoulders. Sadly, realpolitik demands that he disappoint even as he blazes a trail forward. </i><br /><br />Holla. Having been a first Black/only Black from minute one, let alone first female/first black female, first out queer, etc. the trajectory has always fascinated and disgusted me (imo, the path is not worth the personal cost; we were sold a bill of goods regarding all the supposed doors we were opening.) <br /><br />Do you know of decent studies of the "first"/only phenomenon? For a while, I was looking at it in classic film, beyond Lena/Dorothy/Harry/Sidney but of course encompassing them.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79512250693252917282011-05-19T20:02:40.679-05:002011-05-19T20:02:40.679-05:00We should learn to accept it, even as we push Obam...<i>We should learn to accept it, even as we push Obama to be more true to the progressive vision he campaigned on.</i><br /><br />To me, that means that in terms of black people, his Presidency is pretty much just symbolic and not that meaningful, and that I should basically view him as a Democratic President.Plantsmantxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77715709050638901862011-05-19T19:51:58.483-05:002011-05-19T19:51:58.483-05:00The very fact that upset geriatric kneegrows need ...The very fact that upset geriatric kneegrows need the obvious explained to them speaks volumes to the what, why, and wherefore of their collective systemic failure to effectively lead the generations of Black folk born after the CRM...,<br /><br />yet these impotent ass-clowns still refuse to STFU and move out the way.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.com