tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post4640009635143867914..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Barack Obama's S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents Must Have Tricked and Manipulated Him: Cliven Bundy, White Racist Right-wing Darling, Theorizes About the Mysterious Ways of 'the Negro'Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40407425040503667982014-07-30T17:09:24.640-05:002014-07-30T17:09:24.640-05:00Come on...be serious. What about the serious lack...Come on...be serious. What about the serious lack of information...about the thousands of indentured servants that came over who were white? Not saying they had it worse than slaves, of course not, but some of them were actually slaves. And many groups of Europeans were seriously mistreated and discriminated against. And to be honest, there were some that were treated worse than some slaves. The problem here is lack of perspective as well as the reliance upon a set narrative that doesn't allow for any exceptions to the "accepted" viewpoint. At any rate, the fool that you are deriding was stupid for saying what he said. But I do not believe he was implying what you inferred from his statement. Just because he says something stupid doesn't mean that his intentions are racist.janinecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73540582811185375072014-07-30T16:58:10.384-05:002014-07-30T16:58:10.384-05:00The Republican Party ended slavery, silly...The Republican Party ended slavery, silly...janinecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12002394684165167452014-04-27T14:58:05.706-05:002014-04-27T14:58:05.706-05:00Thanks for the kind words...and for unlurking :)Thanks for the kind words...and for unlurking :)chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75934161697904807832014-04-27T08:16:21.212-05:002014-04-27T08:16:21.212-05:00This is a great post. I have been lurking for quit...This is a great post. I have been lurking for quite sometime.Mary Burrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47017005623429268632014-04-25T21:19:59.912-05:002014-04-25T21:19:59.912-05:00This is the kind of thing that Thomas Dixon used t...This is the kind of thing that Thomas Dixon used to say. The more things change.........A Birth of a Nation remake is inevitable.Miles_Ellisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-31138244413026209352014-04-25T18:59:45.540-05:002014-04-25T18:59:45.540-05:00Sad that satire is barely distinguishable from wha...Sad that satire is barely distinguishable from what they would normally spout.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59466444114049660762014-04-25T15:21:35.604-05:002014-04-25T15:21:35.604-05:00I was satirizing conservatism through Rand Paul. ...I was satirizing conservatism through Rand Paul. <br /><br /><br />Haven't you ever heard the racist defense that commies and lefties invented racism and white supremacy as slurs to overthrow traditional Western governments and impose socialism?Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12531560283077208902014-04-25T15:02:39.725-05:002014-04-25T15:02:39.725-05:00OMG!!! Did I just read that? I didn't read tha...OMG!!! Did I just read that? I didn't read that. Will somebody please tell me I didn't read that? <br /><br /> "I cannot confirm that Bundy is indeed a "racist" (whatever that is, I <br />believe it's a slur invented by progressives to abuse white people). A slur invented to abuse white people???!!!?? Iquit.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43804849210440935662014-04-25T08:17:25.327-05:002014-04-25T08:17:25.327-05:00I'm drawing from the cite The FBI's Histor...I'm drawing from the cite The FBI's Historical Connections to the KKK, Bob Feldman 68, and James Kirkpatrick Davis' 1992 book Spying on America:The FBI's Counterintelligence Program. "By the end of 1965 the FBI had more than 7,000 informants within the klaverns...used in 85% of Klan actions...15% of the KKK was composed of FBI informants...half (in) leadership positions." Paul and Sally Bermanzohn's book The True Story of the Greenbore Massacre says "The FBI has been using the Klan and other fascist groups for a long time...FBI informant Gary Rowe...instigated...dozens of violent acts including a bloody assault on Bermingham Freedom Fighters in 1962, the church bombing murder of four school girls, and the murder of Viola Liuzzo...the FBI set up more than 40 all-informant Klan chapters in North Carolina alone." James Ridgeway's book Blood in the Face says that FBI informant Bill Wilkinson set up the KKK's Invisible Empire organization in 1980...(in conjunction with David Duke.) Kirkpatrick also notes that FBI special agent undercover liaison in Seattle (developed)..."a terrorist bombing operation..."joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53480672396183030942014-04-25T07:41:14.762-05:002014-04-25T07:41:14.762-05:00The dissonance is absurd.The dissonance is absurd.Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60944269020009545522014-04-25T07:39:52.669-05:002014-04-25T07:39:52.669-05:00brilliantbrilliantMyshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-11820811434941816992014-04-25T00:49:28.186-05:002014-04-25T00:49:28.186-05:00Liberal Academe? Chris Hedges illustrated how that...Liberal Academe? Chris Hedges illustrated how that was done away with quite some time ago, with Death of the Liberal Class. Sold! To the highest bidder.SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40373658936349296312014-04-25T00:44:50.207-05:002014-04-25T00:44:50.207-05:00And of course black slaves had it easier than whit...And of course black slaves had it easier than white immigrants! Look at the calorie counts! There is a serious lack of perspective and ethics at work in the literature by a polite group of racist economists and historians who make that claim. So much for liberal academe.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83595612770573087442014-04-25T00:33:13.671-05:002014-04-25T00:33:13.671-05:00For some reason, they think slavery was simply low...For some reason, they think slavery was simply low wage jobs. This is what it is about when they push for minorities to accept less than minimum wage, or these "right to work states." They are fantasizing that this country is back in the days of their fore fathers. They don't believe that minorities should be paid a fair and decent wage because that was not their original role in the construction of this country. And these are the people with the guns and temerity to stand up to government authorities.<br /><br />In essence, it is residual resentment for being forced to end slavery, that has been/is being carried from generation to generation. These comments barely get a response now. Not like they did during civil rights. It is simply another day in the US. However, threaten to boycott a fast food franchise for having extreme Christian homophobic views and the lines will snake around the corner in support for, and protest against, the perceived "threat" to their religion. When they decide to get their revolution started, who do you think the first victims will be?SabrinaBeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58074337106489794942014-04-24T14:14:15.242-05:002014-04-24T14:14:15.242-05:00Also, the way they used the CIA to facilitate drug...Also, the way they used the CIA to facilitate drug-running, much of it to black neighborhoods, by the Contras in the 80s. Digby had a good rundown of it <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/cia-adventures-in-drug-trade-and-little.html" rel="nofollow">here </a> the other day. The Southern Strategy of Nixon and his even worse successors was not only to increase the GOP share of the white vote by appealing to white racists, but to suppress the black vote, including by incarcerating hundreds of thousands of black people for drug usage that GOP activities helped promote.OldPolarBearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40021914378017255212014-04-24T14:01:24.277-05:002014-04-24T14:01:24.277-05:00Cliven Bundy reminds me a little of the recently l...Cliven Bundy reminds me a little of the recently late, and not-so-lamented, Rev. Fred Phelps. There are some, including myself, who used to say that he was merely voicing honestly the feelings that a great segment of U.S. society felt. Further, it is possible that in the long run he actually helped the situation by making homophobia that much more disreputable. Could such an outspoken racist do the same to racism? I don't know; analogies are always imperfect at best and besides that, stirring up this kind of hatred is of course very dangerous to its targets. Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc. and their followers seem to be impervious to that kind of embarrassment.OldPolarBearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-39923936901774472622014-04-24T13:57:49.903-05:002014-04-24T13:57:49.903-05:00It could be that pathetic Jesse Lee Peterson too.It could be that pathetic Jesse Lee Peterson too.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35441809665999414242014-04-24T13:57:24.333-05:002014-04-24T13:57:24.333-05:00I am glad someone got my joke. I knew that the FBI...I am glad someone got my joke. I knew that the FBI helped to bring down the Klan. I was less sure that they used them as a goon squad. Any links or cites?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23588570710032663382014-04-24T13:48:57.601-05:002014-04-24T13:48:57.601-05:00You need to get a side hustle writing for conserva...You need to get a side hustle writing for conservatives. Pitch perfect!chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85922386522609555042014-04-24T12:48:21.869-05:002014-04-24T12:48:21.869-05:00Cliven Bundy - just another useless eater mooching...Cliven Bundy - just another useless eater mooching off the government unwilling to pay his fair share. <br /><br /><br />The first black pundit to defend him will be Allen West. Here's what he had to s say about this fine patriot a few days ago. Can't wait for the follow-up:<br /><br /><br />http://allenwestrepublic.com/2014/04/21/allen-west-video-weighs-in-on-the-bundy-ranch-and-harry-reid-cronyism-watch/<br /><br /><br /><br />And whoever that Fox and Friends guy in the video is will have his back.DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80031944671961363582014-04-24T11:56:33.815-05:002014-04-24T11:56:33.815-05:00These ain't Rockefeller R's. The party'...These ain't Rockefeller R's. The party's advocacy of violence, riots, secession, civil war, racism, and slavery is an illustrative measure of radicalism. Only a grass roots movement can pressure government to crack down on rightist excess as was the case in the 60's. The FBI's malevolent version of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been active in practically all political movements for at least 70 years, their mandate being to prevent political organizing, paradoxically so it would seem at first blush, by energizing the radical right; with white supremacy as its main organizing principle. For example, during the 60's the F.B.I. secretly sponsored most KKK chapters in the South; ostensibly for surveillance but actually to facilitate orchestrated and spontaneous aggression against any and all political organizing. With no grass roots counterweight to rightist astroturf, neo-tammanization fills the political vacuum. Neo-tammany is too unpopular to command a majority and officialdom has a vested interest in containing it but that shouldn't lull the left into complacency as anything can happen. Moreover all social problems are largely due to the vacuum on the left. Unprecedented looming crises add to the national sense of urgency which manifests as desperation among "getting poorer" whites, making them highly susceptible to fascist propaganda.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6286489295552928942014-04-24T11:17:13.065-05:002014-04-24T11:17:13.065-05:00I have taken to referring to Mr. Bundy as "th...I have taken to referring to Mr. Bundy as "the welfare queen Cliven Bundy" and that has irritated my friends and family on the right. Not that the two are necessarily related but two New Black Panthers guys stand outside a voting place and that is intimidation which still gives Fox hosts the vapors but pointing a sniper rifle at a federal agent is merely an exercise of Second Amendment rights. As Charles Pierce always notes it cannot be about race so why the disparate treatment? Enquiring minds would like to know.Just another dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53422998528925891592014-04-24T09:19:31.553-05:002014-04-24T09:19:31.553-05:00The underlying premise of all statements by conser...The underlying premise of all statements by conservatives (white or black) that "blacks were better off under slavery" (it hurt to type that) is that blacks had two parent families under slavery. Why, no white slaveowner would ever be so vile as to separate a couple, let alone a mother and her children! To mention that slave families were routinely separated as a matter of slaveowner policy would suggest that whites are really the ones to blame for any historical instability in the black family.lionessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32059014395848299062014-04-24T09:08:55.540-05:002014-04-24T09:08:55.540-05:00Yes they are that lost. Bundy really is just being...Yes they are that lost. Bundy really is just being honest. There is a tremendous about of overlap between and among white supremacists, separatists, nationalists, run of the mill racists, anti-tax crusaders, Mormons, militia groups and Republicans.<br /><br /><br />I imagine that less virulently racist conservatives will ignore Bundy's statement in much the same way that say Mitch Albom ignored Nugent's "sub human mongrel" comment but sticks to saying "racism goes both ways". It is what it is,<br /><br /><br />As far as which black person would be the first to defend Bundy I think it would be a tossup between Crystal Wright and Herman Cain.Shady Gradyhttp://theurbanpolitico.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55988980935620327232014-04-24T05:51:50.852-05:002014-04-24T05:51:50.852-05:00Hannity: "Well, he may have said some things ...Hannity: "Well, he may have said some things in an unsavory way, but I wouldn't necessarily suggest that he may be incorrect.... HEY! Look over here! Obama!"<br /><br /><br />Ben Carson: "Those PC liberals are going to try to hang up Cliven Bundy for what they perceive as racism. Mr. Bundy comes from a different time and a different place and he is only saying what he sees as problems in the black community and he is RIGHT, they were better as slaves! .... wait... Obamacare is slavery."<br /><br /><br />O'Reilly: "America. I know many on the left are going to get into a groaning and shouting match over Cliven Bundy's views on the state of black America. The liberal media will try to paint him as some sort of racist, but we all know white racism is over. The liberals are actually racist against white men like Cliven Bundy and are trying to take something he said off the cuff and destroy his anti-government support and positive news coverage. <br /><br /><br />"These race hustlers will do anything to undermine American white male freedom struggles and, America, you don't have to take it from them."<br /><br /><br />Rand Paul: "I cannot confirm that Bundy is indeed a "racist" (whatever that is), but I support his efforts to stand against this abusive federal government. Obama...."Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.com