tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post460870112421416357..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: The War on Women: Are John Kasich and the Republican Party Engaging in Political Gyno Porn?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49126919633580667902013-07-04T11:59:45.766-05:002013-07-04T11:59:45.766-05:00Perhaps they're ringers. Maybe Stephen King o...Perhaps they're ringers. Maybe Stephen King or James Patterson wrote that.Miles_Ellisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26564502802541088232013-07-04T11:27:12.679-05:002013-07-04T11:27:12.679-05:00Maybe they are all in a writing group together try...Maybe they are all in a writing group together trying to improve their craft?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19390682866594057672013-07-04T11:14:35.394-05:002013-07-04T11:14:35.394-05:00That's creepy stuff. However, the writing is ...That's creepy stuff. However, the writing is a vast improvement over the interracial breeding/cuckholding fantasies you posted a few months ago. At least the "doctor" wasn't just some big black penis with a limited vocabulary that consisted of "white bitch" and "white slut."Miles_Ellisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25714867386343577112013-07-03T16:59:55.432-05:002013-07-03T16:59:55.432-05:00So these right wingers in NC, TX, OH and elsewhere...So these right wingers in NC, TX, OH and elsewhere are a manifestation of the creepy id of the psycho billionaires funding them?blavagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88132350946041904962013-07-03T07:32:34.764-05:002013-07-03T07:32:34.764-05:00Lolz. Lolz. physioproffenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79125866836846736932013-07-02T18:47:57.780-05:002013-07-02T18:47:57.780-05:00White, male, heterosexual, Christian Western patri...White, male, heterosexual, Christian Western patriarchy wants to enforce white, male, heterosexual, Christian patriarchy. All challenges to the pecking order are sacrilege and perverse to those who are completely convinced that wmhCWp is "natura,l" "God's will" and mete. <br /><br /><br />What Sujata says about Stockholm Syndrome. The development of Stockholm Syndrome requires that the abuser show kindness to the abused, so that the abused (whose safety rests in the hands of the abuser) feels grateful that the abuser hasn't hurt her more or killed her. Women can fall into the trap of believing that their abuser is protecting them from other abusers, and tragically enough, many of them are right.<br /><br /><br />Is very sad and pitiful.Felonious Grammarhttp://www.facebook.com/felonious.grammarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22299047266815757932013-07-02T14:12:06.455-05:002013-07-02T14:12:06.455-05:00Merde... some of the links above got messed up by ...Merde... some of the links above got messed up by enclosing them in parentheses.<br /><br />examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2003/11/dead_right.html<br /><br />http://chronicle.com/article/The-Conservative-Mind/130199/<br /><br />http://www.sba-list.org/pro-life-women-leaders/national<br /><br /><br />Sorry.Ellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70575455331415517672013-07-02T14:07:19.082-05:002013-07-02T14:07:19.082-05:00As you said yourself, racism and misogyny overlap ...As you said yourself, racism and misogyny overlap (and I'd throw classism in there, too). But, my sense is that they compete, too - and some women find more solidarity with male racists/classists... they overlook the misogyny because they believe their privilege insulates them from (most of) it.<br /><br />I frequently turn back to a long, and frequently hilarious blog post written in 2003 by philosopher John Holbo, concerning David Frum's "Dead Right." (http://examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2003/11/dead_right.html) Holbo's dissection fails to find any coherent conservative philosophy; rather, he finds Frum seems overly focused on aesthetics: the "conservative" goal Holbo takes from the book is that public policies should be directed toward social coercion... if you make better people (that is, those who feel their interests are aligned with the dominant culture), then the economy and related social problems will magically take care of themselves.<br /><br />Corey Robin's view of conservatism as a counter-revolutionary movement against the agency of the lower classes (http://chronicle.com/article/The-Conservative-Mind/130199/ ) is a related, more academic version of Holbo's larger point.<br /><br />Barring a few exceptions (Alveda King comes to mind), pro-life activist women are overwhelmingly well-off whites (see the faces in this list, for example: http://www.sba-list.org/pro-life-women-leaders/national). I imagine that these women see abortion restrictions from the perspective of keeping the poors in line, and forcing them to adhere to the standards of conduct deemed appropriate for them by their "betters."Ellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80918864695120539252013-07-02T14:03:00.830-05:002013-07-02T14:03:00.830-05:00Exactly. And I think, circling back to one of the...Exactly. And I think, circling back to one of the points you made in your essay, that this sort of pathological response to oppression is utterly intersectional. While a misogynist is probably also going to be a racist and aggressively heteronormative, the behavior of those who can't deal with oppression and turn to identifying with their oppressors also seems to be universal.<br /><br />I mean, if you took my previous comment and changed around a few words, you'd think I was talking about that arch-magister of bad faith, Clarence Thomas, rather than a patriarchy-supporting woman.Sujatanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34161392358421388402013-07-02T13:23:58.257-05:002013-07-02T13:23:58.257-05:00That also parallels with how so many young women d...That also parallels with how so many young women disown being "feminists" because it is a "bad" word and they aren't "pushy."chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6133390245016604882013-07-02T12:55:07.083-05:002013-07-02T12:55:07.083-05:00It's Stockholm Syndrome. Women who are damage...It's Stockholm Syndrome. Women who are damaged or weak-willed learn to love Big Brother in attempt to survive a world run by patriarchy. They construct fantasy scenarios in which women are divided into feminists and "cool chicks", and they put themselves in that second category. Women who've internalized this mauvaise foi tell themselves that because they aren't "teases" or "sluts", they won't get raped. They tell themselves that because they don't rock the boat, they won't get sexually harassed. They tell themselves that by being waifish and sexualized at all times, they won't be the subject of crescendos of hate from men who reduce all women to their sexual value.<br /><br />These women can't handle the psychic assault of patriarchy, so they tell themselves that if they identify with their oppressors, the assault won't happen to them. It'll only happen to the "bad women".Sujatanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83755869641212629242013-07-02T12:13:07.145-05:002013-07-02T12:13:07.145-05:00the warning because it was too exciting or too dis...the warning because it was too exciting or too distracting or too embarrassing?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13411836914061740032013-07-02T12:12:46.827-05:002013-07-02T12:12:46.827-05:00That is an important part of the puzzle that I hav...That is an important part of the puzzle that I have struggled with too. Is this internalized patriarchy? cooptation?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16304795221775144612013-07-02T11:43:57.870-05:002013-07-02T11:43:57.870-05:00This is the first time I've heard of "gyn...This is the first time I've heard of "gyno porn," lol. Guess I need to get out more.<br /><br />Overall, I agree with your analysis, with one small exception...<br /><br />"Chris Hayes was excellent on his TV show in exposing the problematic optics and policy implications of a group of old white men telling women what to do with their bodies."<br /><br />It makes the divide between men and women on this issue just a little too neat. Sure - I get the rhetorical purpose, but it depresses me to see the numbers of old (and not-so-old) (mostly) white women supporting those old white men.<br /><br />I'm not surprised that this happened in Ohio... I lived in the SW part of the state for 8 years - I volunteered in my kids' elementary school, and my interactions with various moms were sometimes... interesting. I will never forget the time, for example, where I was calmly chastised by another (younger!) mother for permitting my 3rd grade daughter to buy a copy of Dav Pilkey's "The Adventures of Captain Underpants" during the school book fair. There is absolutely nothing the least bit sexual about the book, but - as she solemnly told me - she wouldn't want her daughter to be reading about underwear.<br /><br />Seriously. I had a hard time not laughing in her face.<br /><br />That's one small example. I have stories...<br /><br /><br /><br />You'd think that experiencing pregnancy and childbirth would make women like her less uptight about sex, and more sympathetic to a woman's right to choose. But for some, it seems to have the entirely opposite effect - to the point where they're willing to give cover and support to those "old white men." The "War on Women" could more accurately be called "War on OTHER Women."Ellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67777028733382106372013-07-02T09:41:04.909-05:002013-07-02T09:41:04.909-05:00Dude! A warning on the gyno-porn link would have b...Dude! A warning on the gyno-porn link would have been nice! I was on the fucken train! physioproffenoreply@blogger.com