tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post450844465639038049..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: White Racial Logic: The Real Difference Between Waco and BaltimoreLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-659822165738142222015-05-27T22:51:52.797-05:002015-05-27T22:51:52.797-05:00Black and Latino gangs battle among themselves ove...Black and Latino gangs battle among themselves over turf. Same as these white biker gangs do, essentially, so they can make money in various criminal activity. Neither is a threat to the establishment, but that doesn't stop the media from going all pathological when it comes to describing the black and latino gangs in the most negative and stereotypical ways.<br /><br /><br />Bottom line, anything black, even the most innocuous, is viewed by the establishment as a threat.Gable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3330084492647266882015-05-27T18:04:04.637-05:002015-05-27T18:04:04.637-05:00As usual, nicely done Mr. DeVega. One note-
&quo...As usual, nicely done Mr. DeVega. One note- <br /><br />"I have come to the conclusion that many white folks are legitimately confused when confronted by such examples, that their inability to process this data is sincere; those who have not disowned their Whiteness and white privilege are unable on a cognitive level to process many aspects of empirical reality. Units of speech such as “white crime,” “white pathology,” and “white thugs” have no meaning in the cognitive schema and conceptual grid of Whiteness."<br /><br />I agree that those terms have no meaning within the framework of whiteness but I think that they are rendered meaningless as a defensive maneuver and any "confusion" about them is feigned. <br /><br />When I was younger I took great pains to explain the effects of everyday racism to white people. I painstakingly described the level of anxiety created by everyday slights experienced over the span of decades. I watched them nod their heads solemnly, hanging on my every word as if I was telling them some deep dusky secrets from another world. They commiserated and sympathized and then dutifully took aim at other white people, pointing them out as the culprits, the haters and the source of the problem. <br /><br />And then one day I realized that I possessed no special skill to discern right from wrong. I, along with every other Black person on the planet hadn't been blessed with some magical ability to see cause and effect, to trace and link historical wrongs to modern day inequalities. Likewise, I didn't have any unique ability to identify an injustice and determine the origin of the inequality as a particular political or social doctrine. I had absolutely no problem recognizing anti Semitism, homophobia, sexism or any other social ill requiring one group to occupy an inferior position. In fact, I could easily and effectively describe the "benefits" enjoyed by the benefactors of these social ills. As a man I understood sexism instantaneously without any "cognitive" readjustment. I knew how it was constructed and how I might benefit from it. I also knew how to ignore it and how to disavow its existence. In short, I was of average intelligence and yet I was capable of understanding exactly what was being done to me and by whom and when and if I desired to, I understood how to do the same to someone else.<br /><br />All white people know the exact same thing.<br /><br />White folks understand exactly what has been done and what is being done to Blacks and non whites in this country. They're not confused by anything. They don't need to "disown" anything or work harder to "process" racial issues. They are perfectly capable of understanding the world they've created in all of its complexity because they own the blueprint. White people know that "racism" is actually WHITE racism and they know that as long as they require it- it will exist in abundance and flourish. White people do not need us to give them time and space to come to grips with and "understand" their white privilege. They are well aware of it and they cherish it because they fought long and hard and killed plenty of people to get it. The sooner we stop believing they are ignorant of the sickness they are inflicted with the better.<br />Because then and only then can we start the more dangerous work of holding them responsible.T. Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44445261532677193482015-05-27T16:03:36.873-05:002015-05-27T16:03:36.873-05:00I am now digging into the records and finding som...I am now digging into the records and finding some interesting anomalies. I will be doing more interviews. I'm going to start a series of posts on the right-wing religious-political movement in town.James Scaminaci III, PhDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48883826347066543672015-05-27T16:00:45.664-05:002015-05-27T16:00:45.664-05:00Great points. I stage a thought experiment of &quo...Great points. I stage a thought experiment of "Two Revolutions" and wonder which would be most vigorously opposed in America:<br />- Revolution A) This oligarchy/establishment system is overthrown and replaced with an egalitarian system where all material resources are fairly distributed.<br />- Revolution B) This "race" system is overthrown and replaced with one that is egalitarian with respect to ancestry and phenotype: meaning people sincerely no longer accept the fictional "race" groupings of "White" and "Black". All social resources naturally re-distribute accordingly: including neighbourhoods, schools, churches, marriage, dating, friendship, political, financial and economic relationships.<br /><br />... First off, I wonder which would be most vigorously opposed by the establishment. Secondly, if there were a national referendum in America today, to choose either A) or B), with secret ballots... which would win?balitwilightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50286431225340087722015-05-27T15:29:43.778-05:002015-05-27T15:29:43.778-05:00True that. Black on black violence is never referr...True that. Black on black violence is never referred to as "Outlaw behavior." Strictly gangland thuggery. I wonder if anyone has written about gangsta rap v. outlaw country music. Outlaw country musicians like Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson are revered in white culture. Essentially their songs were people fighting against authoritarian figures and institutions, or about smoking, fighting, drinking and drugs. Not really different than Gangsta Rap - and it was fairly controversial in it's time. NWA will likely never get the same love as Kris Kristofferson, but will Snoop Dogg or Ice-T? Will "Gangsta" take on a romanticized notion in fifteen years? You already see it appropriated by white culture in non-threatening ways. I often call my oldest daughter, "G" ("Hey G, have you fed your hamster?"). I honestly don't know. Culture is a powerful thing and Gangsta Rap was hugely successful, so children of the 90's will definitely have a different take than the Fox News demo, but will it morph into reverence? Will the MSM interview Schooly D when he's 70?DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47936475294360883422015-05-27T15:21:40.428-05:002015-05-27T15:21:40.428-05:00The media's use of the word "club" a...The media's use of the word "club" as opposed to "gang" exposes a high handed conspiratorial effort to normalize organized crime. As a mechanism of social control the power elite has historically relied on well appointed brown shirts to intimidate the public. Similarly, police departments work in conjunction with gangs to oppress the populace, to institutionalize the rackets, to promote the general banana republicanization. The 2015 Waco Rumble is exhibit A of the regime of fascism.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17372420852206009062015-05-27T14:26:29.383-05:002015-05-27T14:26:29.383-05:00The Waco incident was basically a Sons of Anarchy ...The Waco incident was basically a Sons of Anarchy episode. White America loves outlaws, and romantically justifies their actions. "Riots" take on many forms. The racist invective directed at Obama is rioting. The Supreme Court decisions gutting the Voting Rights Act and defending religion-based bigotry are rioting. The passage of Voter ID laws whose aim is to disenfranchise large swaths of the voting population is rioting. Shooting unarmed black people dead in the streets under the sanction of "law enforcement" is rioting. Using the news media as a mouthpiece to obfuscate the legitimate claims of those protesting racist police violence against black people is rioting. Running out of a store with a big screen TV pales by comparison.Miles_Ellisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48315854724595706012015-05-27T13:13:27.305-05:002015-05-27T13:13:27.305-05:00That is an excellent point. There is also the roma...That is an excellent point. There is also the romanticization of outlaw mc culture too. But if those outlaw mc members were black and did he same thing there would be mass mayhem in the media. Fox News would ejaculate through the screen.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59812609594734176732015-05-27T13:12:34.818-05:002015-05-27T13:12:34.818-05:00How is the blog going? Anymore interviews?How is the blog going? Anymore interviews?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75697298954534062062015-05-27T12:59:50.350-05:002015-05-27T12:59:50.350-05:00Lots to chew on here Chauncey. In addition to race...Lots to chew on here Chauncey. In addition to race, I think one of the elements driving the media narratives is that Baltimore and Ferguson are "attacks" on the establishment - of which the media is definitely a part of. Biker gangs attacking other biker gangs is not a threat to the establishment or media. They don't feel it, so they describe it in more benign terms. Baltimore has the chance to upend the social order that has greatly rewarded them, so they are against it a priori. They don't want to hear that they are part of the problem.DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-35171879742777139182015-05-27T12:55:06.019-05:002015-05-27T12:55:06.019-05:00Indeed - even though they are viewed as criminals,...Indeed - even though they are viewed as criminals, Outlaws are highly romanticized and they are thought of as "living by a code" that keeps them outside the boundaries of the law. It's not their fault they can't do the 9-to-5; They got to live free in the wide-open spaces. "Guns explode into space. Like a true, nature's child, they were born, born to be wild."DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13040928459046269222015-05-27T12:24:38.554-05:002015-05-27T12:24:38.554-05:00Excellent comment, which follows an excellent post...Excellent comment, which follows an excellent post.SWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80052784341959972672015-05-27T10:37:48.495-05:002015-05-27T10:37:48.495-05:00Shared on my Facebook page. Now, I can watch my w...Shared on my Facebook page. Now, I can watch my white friends attack like sharks. I've been busy writing the blog.James Scaminaci III, PhDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78125306789468078612015-05-27T08:40:34.895-05:002015-05-27T08:40:34.895-05:00Even the luxury to have their deadly riot describe...Even the luxury to have their deadly riot described as "...between outlaw motorcycle clubs" is a privilege that only "white" criminals get. Absent of a century habituated to Jim Crow Dialect (aka "American English"), these clubs certainly would be called "gangs". The word Outlaw, is of even more interest. Outlaw is a romantic word reserved for "white" (often violent) people who break laws. "Black" people are just criminals and thugs (the latter can be earned on a sidewalk or in a boardroom: just by appearing threatening enough to any "white authority").<br />As such, "Outlaw" is in the company of some of my other favourite Jim Crow Dialect words and phrases: "Girl next door"; "All-American"; "Golden boy"; "Middle class". The expression that "the Inuit have 30 words for snow" is apocryphal, but it points to a deeper truth: the treasures and skeletons of any culture are buried most deeply in its language. Excavate the language just a little and you will discover the embarrassingly stark outlines of all those things communicated most powerfully by remaining unspoken.<br />It is good to dig in the soil of language this way - because that is the reservoir where America's founding viruses hide and thus are able to continually mutate into new variations on the same old inequality and injustice. We think we have had our Civil Rights struggles and wonder why inequality always reasserts itself. But the 400 year-old rot was permitted to remain in the heart of language. Underneath Jim Crow English is Slavery English. The deepest sub-strata is where you will find the man-made virus of "Whiteness" and underneath it "Blackness". My greatest hope is that these too will be dug out eventually to shrivel in the sunlight.balitwilightnoreply@blogger.com