tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post4492155737535876772..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Empathy Wars: Mitt Romney and the Republican Party's Bully PoliticsLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-82160699612848224432012-05-15T22:05:47.321-05:002012-05-15T22:05:47.321-05:00If a conservative thinks you should follow his rel...If a conservative thinks you should follow his religious teachings, he passes laws that say a doctor can stick a probe up your vagina before you make any decisions about what to do with your body...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17597623551434913542012-05-15T04:03:35.391-05:002012-05-15T04:03:35.391-05:00I really don't know how Mr.Devega can tolerate...I really don't know how Mr.Devega can tolerate the Stupidity A Anon, etc., trolling on his site. <br />From the article: "Compromise is their enemy. They must bend others to their will not through negotiation, moral and ethical clarity, or persuasion, but through hardheadedness and intimidation. Compromise is not give and take, or political horse trading: it is forcing Democrats to always agree with Republicans..."<br /><br />Perfectly stated, and this is exactly what wingnut trolls will never understand. And, this is also why America may not survive.Sophienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28626036148275437452012-05-14T23:30:12.148-05:002012-05-14T23:30:12.148-05:00@Anon Jeff. What fun. You are a conservative ventr...@Anon Jeff. What fun. You are a conservative ventriloquist's dummy or parrot with someone's hand up your butt. Your interesting story is some right wing crap chain letter posted all over the Internet. Do you have any original thoughts? Is this the best you have to offer?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67273065371147625052012-05-14T23:20:52.793-05:002012-05-14T23:20:52.793-05:00@Anon Jeff Bennett. Did you enroll in the Glenn Be...@Anon Jeff Bennett. Did you enroll in the Glenn Beck university or simply here about evil Cloward Fox Piven on Fox News? <br /><br />I like your story/spoken word poetry. I would like to commission a story from you. Something I can put on this site. Would you do me the favor? Alternatively, you could record yourself performing this magisterial art on Youtube and we can embed the video. Where do you get your inspiration from? What style are your appropriating? <br /><br />Please offer up your cv or artists biography.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-72193718405843908802012-05-14T22:58:47.952-05:002012-05-14T22:58:47.952-05:00LOL Anon. You've got it all wrong. CD is a c...LOL Anon. You've got it all wrong. CD is a closet conservative. He just hasn't figured that out yet.<br /><br />I can imagine the headline and what I'll be reading here once he does. LOL!sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18003299908168286782012-05-14T22:30:15.597-05:002012-05-14T22:30:15.597-05:00I am not trying to hide behind anonymous, it's...I am not trying to hide behind anonymous, it's just easier than signing in. <br /><br />My name is Jeff Bennett. If I state something that is not TRUE, I do want to hear facts in return so I may consider them. <br /><br />Father/Daughter Talk<br /> <br />This gently explains the difference in thinking <br />between people with opposite outlooks.<br /> <br />A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many <br />others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other <br />liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more <br />government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth. She was deeply <br />ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she <br />openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the <br />occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years <br />harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.<br /> <br />One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes <br />and the need for more government programs.<br /> <br />The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the <br />truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she<br />was doing in school.<br /> <br />Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let <br />him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a<br />very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no <br />time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because <br />she spent all her time studying.<br /> <br />Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She <br />replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she <br />never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; <br />college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots <br />of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."<br /> <br />Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office <br />and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only <br />has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would <br />be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."<br /> <br />The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired <br />back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard <br />for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey <br />has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my <br />tail off!" <br /><br />The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the <br />conservative side of the fence."<br /> <br />If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a great <br />test!<br /> <br />If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. <br />If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.<br /><br />If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.<br />If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for <br />everyone.<br /><br />If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his <br />situation. <br />A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.<br /> <br />If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.<br />Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.<br /> <br />If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.<br />A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.<br /> <br />If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for <br />it, or may choose a job that provides it.<br />A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.<br /> <br />If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a <br />good laugh.<br />A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65490162242559055852012-05-14T22:24:14.402-05:002012-05-14T22:24:14.402-05:00You obviously have an 'education' yet are ...You obviously have an 'education' yet are a poster child for the cheated generations. The government education you received lacked several important things. HISTORY, for one. Economics #2 and the ability to tell the difference between communism, socialism, marxism, and a free republic with a constitution and laws. You should be able to get all of your college tuition refunded because they cheated you terribly. Not only by indoctrinating you to be a useful idiot for the Cloward - Pivens crowd, but by not giving you a well rounded education. Since I don't have time to un-program each and every person that has been indoctrinated into believing America is evil, I will follow this with a little story. Some of you may find it frustrating because there is no denying the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30026956299820891722012-05-14T19:15:19.263-05:002012-05-14T19:15:19.263-05:00I'm with CNu on the military "threat"...I'm with CNu on the military "threat" posed by countries facing an alliance (counting only NATO+Japan) that spends 75% of the world's military budget.<br /><br />They may indeed feel that war is inevitable, but the war I'd plan for in their shoes would be purely defensive.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09029436098418393783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36767786412544550812012-05-14T19:12:48.851-05:002012-05-14T19:12:48.851-05:00And Alter this careens past disingenuousness and c...And Alter this careens past disingenuousness and collides with foolishness. If the dude wasn't to some degree blind how'd he walk into the door? <br /><br />Anything can be debated endlessly, and on the net it usually is, but arguing the definition of blindness when you know to begin with that the prank involved sight impairment ... that is simply trolling.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09029436098418393783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29795580924216760352012-05-14T17:50:05.053-05:002012-05-14T17:50:05.053-05:00Add to that that our financial position is an arro...<i>Add to that that our financial position is an arrow in our Achilles heal.</i><br /><br />Sledge, money is a proxy for power. <br /><br />The U.S. has the means to increase its wealth against both Russia and China - and any other contenders at present - through inflationary and deflationary currency manipulations. <br /><br /><i>Russia under Putin's leadership is rearming and has a strategy to rebuild a replacement for the Soviet Union. The EU's problems and economic hardships to follow will fall right in his lap due to the gas and energy Russian sends to the European countries. Turned off for a week would bring Europe to it's knees.</i><br /><br />and I'm giving a dayyum about that because.......? oh yeah, and they can have Israel too. None of these garrison states mean a dayyum thing to me. All of them are perfectly capable of defending themselves and it's long overdue time they begin to do so.<br /><br />The U.S. has all the food and weapons (the true wealth) - and either contender would have to take that from us (a complete impossibility)<br /><br /><i>Do you feel comfortable that either Obama or Romney posses either the craftiness of the Chinese, or the strength and internal fortitude of a Putin, or for that matter the total dedication to mission of the Iranians?</i><br /><br />rotflmbao...,<br /><br />You place MUCH greater stock by the electoral office of preznit than I do. The preznit has not enjoyed that level of genuine executive autonomy and authority since Eisenhower.<br /><br />Two presidents have gotten out of pocket since then and the first got his head blown off in Dealy plaza, and the second resigned the office in disgrace under threat of impeachment.<br /><br />Frankly, both Russia and China are in rather desperate straights population wise, the former too few, the latter waaaaaay too many - with the consequence that each has serious and systemic governance problems that can easily mushroom into complete instability.<br /><br />Nah, I'm not concerned in the least little bit by the imaginary and contrived strategic "threat" posed by the BRIC, rather, I'm far more concerned about the profit driven move toward economically Dickensian fascism in the U.S. not brought on by objective necessity, rather, brought on on a purely discretionary basis by powers that be striving to preserve their elite and hegemonic claim on profitability. <br /><br />You see, from the perspective of the bankers who truly rule the U.S. and by extension, the world, you're only as useful as you are profitable. <br /><br />We haven't been particularly profitable for some time now, but then, neither really have the Russians or the Chinese for that matter...,CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78359722195763748832012-05-14T16:50:53.522-05:002012-05-14T16:50:53.522-05:00insolent and insubordinate redneck McCrystal whose...<i>insolent and insubordinate redneck McCrystal whose alleged "greatness" signifies nothing so much as that he forgot his place and that he became an indignant ingrate to the civilian task master who empowered and fed him lo these many years of non-productive posturing....,</i><br /><br />Second that. Ever since the Clinton years Republicans in the armed forces have been flirted with a bizarre petulance toward elected leaders that in a nation that was truly under civilian administration should have been addressed with prison terms not press conferences.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09029436098418393783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-34149304679943155902012-05-14T15:21:30.829-05:002012-05-14T15:21:30.829-05:00@CNu
Some of what you wrote I agree with and some...@CNu<br /><br />Some of what you wrote I agree with and some I don't. China and Russia are both threats and will be more so in the coming years.<br /><br />It doesn't take much research to find what China's leaders and military generals have been saying for a decade. They totally believe, have stated, and are preparing for a war with the U.S. that they see as inevitable. By the way, the fact that they could win that war today with the right strategy, something they have a nack for, is not out of the question<br /><br />Russia under Putin's leadership is rearming and has a strategy to rebuild a replacement for the Soviet Union. The EU's problems and economic hardships to follow will fall right in his lap due to the gas and energy Russian sends to the European countries. Turned off for a week would bring Europe to it's knees.<br /><br />Add to that that our financial position is an arrow in our Achilles heal.<br /><br />Do you feel comfortable that either Obama or Romney posses either the craftiness of the Chinese, or the strength and internal fortitude of a Putin, or for that matter the total dedication to mission of the Iranians?<br /><br />Personally, I don't think either of them is up to what's ahead. We need someone with special, historical abilities. Unfortunately, a person with those attributes has yet to arise and isn't on either ticket.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89997983829955620892012-05-14T15:00:54.467-05:002012-05-14T15:00:54.467-05:00p.s., that's all a really verbose way of sayin...<i>p.s., that's all a really verbose way of saying <b>phuk that insolent and insubordinate redneck McCrystal</b> whose alleged "greatness" signifies nothing so much as that he forgot his place and that he became an indignant ingrate to the civilian task master who empowered and fed him lo these many years of non-productive posturing....,</i>CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24516285206309816632012-05-14T14:58:04.190-05:002012-05-14T14:58:04.190-05:00Sledge, Hon.Bro.Preznit is satirical, much as is t...Sledge, Hon.Bro.Preznit is satirical, much as is the nickname "Double-O" (since the most dangerous thing the preznit has ever personally killed is a sandwich)<br /><br />It's a spoof on the Hon.Bro.Minister - and honorific frequently bestowed upon Louis Farrakhan. This isn't to suggest that either Farrakhan or Obama could ever be mistaken as Honorable or as Brothers, however, they share in common time served in Chicago, exceptional oratorical talents, substantial fame and personal self-enrichment, and no noteworthy leadership accomplishments for or on behalf of black folks in America.<br /><br />Anyway, as to the "dangers" - the U.S. is not under any clear and present military threat and quite honestly never has been at any time over the past 70 years.<br /><br />The only threat to stability and security in the U.S. is failure of sustainable economic "growth" sufficient to drive bank profits over the long term. It is wholly unacceptable to use the military as a form of ritualized welfare for non-productive and unemployed sectors of the U.S. demography and the U.S. economy, and, as the largest single consumer of energy and goods output in the entire economy.<br /><br />Like "planned obsolescence" warsocialism is central planning using the government as a means to keep an economic bubble artificially inflated. In this case, however, it is using the most wasteful, destructive, and immoral of activities known to humankind - simply to drive growth and sustain profits.<br /><br />As a society, the only thing this country is objectively and genuinely in danger of, is collapsing under the incredible weight of its habitual profligacy and barbaric immorality.<br /><br />The U.S. is not now and never has been at risk of being invaded, of having its population starve, or of having its strategic resource interests abroad taken back by others. In fact, at this moment in time, the military is perhaps the single greatest threat to freedom and democracy that has ever existed in historical time.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70130611115826820552012-05-14T14:32:45.132-05:002012-05-14T14:32:45.132-05:00@CNU
I don't know that I would refer to him a...@CNU<br /><br />I don't know that I would refer to him as Hon.Bro.Preznit. If that makes my criticism of some of his mistakes sound disingenuous so be it. It does little to change the situation.<br /><br />Although in fairness, I have grave concerns about Romney's abilities as a CIC as well. <br /><br />These are dangerous times on several fronts, whether created or not by nefarious individuals or groups. All signs are that whoever wins election we are going to be lead by weakness and agenda.<br /><br />Makes one wonder whether that is an intentional choice we're given.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13586685084856045732012-05-14T14:04:36.276-05:002012-05-14T14:04:36.276-05:00The epic military fails of the catastrophic G-Dub ...The epic military fails of the catastrophic G-Dub administration, the rise of overpaid mercenary forces like Blackwater et al, make any criticism of the Hon.Bro.Preznit Double-O sound disingenuous as hell. <br /><br />Arguments on behalf of American warsocialism and predatory militarism must always be a losing proposition. <br /><br />The military is the single most wasteful and non-productive institution known to humankind, and the Pentagon's - military in search of missions to justify its massive general staff bloat - is the worst offender of ALL TIME.<br /><br />This has been true since 1947, the chronological and economic inflection point, after which warsocialism became the primary institutional mechanism for income redistribution and welfare in the U.S.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4684833055047881622012-05-14T13:58:13.588-05:002012-05-14T13:58:13.588-05:00Sounds like the person who is bound by color has f...Sounds like the person who is bound by color has found an alter ego.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-14399297761078460052012-05-14T13:49:05.472-05:002012-05-14T13:49:05.472-05:00Don't ask me about war because I'm not goi...Don't ask me about war because I'm not going to talk about it. The only people who talk about it are liars or psychopaths. Most of us put a lot of effort into trying to forget.<br /><br />Obama has made several missteps, either intentional or not, in regards to the military. He has tried to make some advances to rectify some of the mistakes he's made. I don't think it has had the effect he was hoping for. <br /><br />Most of the military looks at Obama as a weak CIC. It is especially evidenced in the lower ranks. <br /><br />Those in the upper ranks who are warry of the CIC's abilities and motives, after General McCrystal, keep their mouths shut out of fear for their careers.<br /><br />It's created a paradox problem in the military. It's ingrained in the military to follow the CIC's orders unquestioned. They still feel this sense of duty but it's conflicted with a sense of distrust of the CIC's and those he has surrounded himself with, abilities and agendas.<br /><br />McCrystal's command made the mistake of voicing what the vast majority other commands think. CD is correct in saying that giving the interview to Rolling Stone raised questions as to his judgement on public relations perceptions and matters.<br /><br />But make no mistake. General McCrystal's judgement as a warfighting commander was and is unsurpassed. He was one of our very best in military conflict and strategy planning. His loss due to the situation that occurred was and is a serious blow to our national defense on several levels.<br /><br />To another subject. CD I take it that you don't believe that compassionate conservatism actually exists. That those who claim to be part of compassionate conservative movement are just paying lip service for political reasons?<br /><br />For myself, I feel that compassion for those in need is what good people feel and do. The bad part is that even when you feel compassion, that if you don't have the funds to do anything about it it makes you feel even worse.sledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16561832954749256080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-68683358703293155352012-05-14T13:30:50.003-05:002012-05-14T13:30:50.003-05:00rotflmbao...,
You only wrote because you're a...rotflmbao...,<br /><br />You only wrote because you're a poster-child for "conservatism as white identity politics" desperately out to score political points.<br /><br />Thanks for exemplifying so persuasively and setting your own cause back in the process.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62903388845150628052012-05-14T13:09:22.451-05:002012-05-14T13:09:22.451-05:00@ChaunceyDeVega: Good point:
"You don'...@ChaunceyDeVega: Good point:<br /><br />"You don't need to make things up."<br /><br />You chide me with "up the game". If you lived up to your own game, I would have had no reason to comment. I only wrote because you made things up -- and have yet to demonstrate otherwise.AlterEgonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69212905856268462392012-05-14T12:41:23.438-05:002012-05-14T12:41:23.438-05:00Alter. In the interest of killing time. McCrystal ...Alter. In the interest of killing time. McCrystal said that Obama looked intimidated by the generals, and that he wasn't impressed when he met the President. Those there said this was done in a mocking tone. The Rolling Stone interview suggested as such with the environment the general cultivated.<br /><br />That a general does not have the good sense to avoid such loose lips, and then to give an interview to Rolling Stone, and his attitude regarding the VP and his civilian commanders is more than enough reason to kick him to the curb. Shockingly bad judgment that likely overflows to other things.<br /><br />What is your dog in this fight? He was clearly insubordinate? Is the good general a cousin or friend of yours? Or is this just hard headed narrow minded partisan sniping where you try to focus on silliness as opposed to substantive matters of concern. <br /><br />Is this some trolling audit where you are going to annoy me by picking out little parts of bigger claims in order to discredit my arguments? There is much here on WARN, and interestingly you have nothing to say about my rebuttal to your Romney mr. empathy talking points. Curious.<br /><br />The populist fox news right wing crowd is so exhausting--and counter to the common good--because they waste time on foolish matters. There is much to substantively critique the president over. You don't need to make things up.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16567516852301444142012-05-14T12:18:42.722-05:002012-05-14T12:18:42.722-05:00@ChaunceyDeVega: I'll try again: You stated ...@ChaunceyDeVega: I'll try again: You stated that McCrystal insulted or mocked the C in C. This will make the third time I will ask you for your sources. Your referenced article quotes other persons and unnamed advisers. Yet you blame McCrystal. I'm suggesting that you have no backing for your charge against McCrystal. And you keep proving this charge correct. Please, demonstrate that your own charge is true.AlterEgonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17601878493186784542012-05-14T10:59:07.940-05:002012-05-14T10:59:07.940-05:00All of the above.
Once enjoined, this scholastic...All of the above. <br /><br />Once enjoined, this scholastic pseudo-litigation would become absolutely exhausting...,<br /><br />and considering that it has the real-world grip and punch of a session of dungeons and dragons, i.e., it's all distracting personality conflict with no application to solving pressing and calamitous challenges facing you humans..., absolutely exhausting and useless.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25801068782895234252012-05-14T10:24:08.537-05:002012-05-14T10:24:08.537-05:00@Alter. Meh. If you cannot see that he was insubor...@Alter. Meh. If you cannot see that he was insubordinate given all that he said about Biden, ambassadors, his commanders and the like there is little to discuss. His behavior was thoroughly insubordinate. Public complaining about the C in C, describing him in poor terms publicly, cultivating a command atmosphere where this was permissible. His fellow officers felt so as well. <br /><br />Why invested in defending him? Or is this part of a general strategy where everything Obama does is wrong? And by your suggestion everything I suggest is not true?chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-44535652927487049382012-05-14T10:09:45.658-05:002012-05-14T10:09:45.658-05:00@Chaunceydevega: You're right. This is fun. ...@Chaunceydevega: You're right. This is fun. You need to up your game. I just read your linked article on McCrystal, as well as a number of others. Again, I ask: <br /><br />Kindly provide any direct quotes from him in which he insults or mocks the C in C.<br /><br />I note that you failed to do so. Any particular reason, since you made the charge? Perhaps you cannot back it up because your charge is false? (Or are you going to claim your answer was only "legally blind"?)AlterEgonoreply@blogger.com