tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post4083628559670355180..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Dear White America: Please Stop Talking About Martin Luther King Jr., 'Non-Violence', and the Baltimore 'Riots'Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2266267822182352522015-05-01T19:34:21.069-05:002015-05-01T19:34:21.069-05:00You lost me at "...responded with an exhalati...You lost me at "...responded with an exhalation of random street violence."<br /><br />Seriously? There are no sacred cows here. Clean the police state up completely, and other, much larger problems will remain which have nothing to do with a police culture that is certainly corrupt and out of control. These are all symptoms of the roots of problems that run far deeper than the nebulous and ever-ill-framed 'race' issue, problems which affect people of all ethnicities. Or, we can wax obtuse, divorce ourselves from all critical thought, and continue to non-proceed as if race really was the core issue. That way we can continue to operate with circular non-reasoning, and not enjoy, but continue to endure, a self-fulfilling prophecy, as you address "White America" with regard to "Black America" -- WHATEVER THAT MEANS.sdlawrencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54598143260321005442015-05-01T03:18:33.546-05:002015-05-01T03:18:33.546-05:00Cool. You're talking about framing. My favor...Cool. You're talking about framing. My favorite topic. Hope to hear more detailed framing analysis in the future.Steve SanFranciscohttp://stevewhetstone.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32777466644044644082015-04-30T09:30:52.826-05:002015-04-30T09:30:52.826-05:00On America as a culture of death....
I came to thi...On America as a culture of death....<br />I came to this country as a ten year-old and not by choice to a Midwestern city, St. Louis, Missouri. Through those child-eyes, I was shocked by the the absurdity of inequity and the racial system of this country. Crossing Delmar Boulevarde to see beautiful brick buildings left to rot. I had never seen that before before. Why? I have spent a lot of time trying to understand better and have come to realize that this country was founded on the idea that it's okay to treat humans like a raw material and toss to the side that which is not needed. Where is the humanity?<br />American capitalism treats natural resources the same way. We can only go on plundering for so long before we start to butt into the consequences of such shortsightedness and abuse. It seems like a confluence of all these chickens coming home to roost. This "culture of death" seems to be catching up with us in the United States but also on a global scale.Muttonbirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-64213691101741611722015-04-30T08:50:01.054-05:002015-04-30T08:50:01.054-05:00Well conservatism is the worship of dead radicals....Well conservatism is the worship of dead radicals. Whether its Chris Kyle or Martin Luther, a dead man can neither verbally kick your ass or stick his foot in his mouthDan Kasteraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-11279475031990203932015-04-30T08:48:22.268-05:002015-04-30T08:48:22.268-05:00Well like a wife beater whose spouse is leaving hi...Well like a wife beater whose spouse is leaving him,the powers that be ramped up every bad behaviorDan Kasteraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10810921014397464432015-04-29T14:02:26.346-05:002015-04-29T14:02:26.346-05:00Which only bolsters my argument that northern whit...Which only bolsters my argument that northern whites are just as racist -if not more so -as southern whites and that abolishing slavery was an economic decision and not a moral one.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69763234955853381112015-04-29T13:20:28.014-05:002015-04-29T13:20:28.014-05:00"Why are people more concerned with property ..."Why are people more concerned with property damage rather than a string of murdered people, many only children and young adults?"<br />Because blacks aren't property any more, thus we aren't valued as such (in some people's eyes). Hell, when blacks were still slaves white Americans were willing to fight a couple of wars over us; now, not so much.Black Romulanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggOVNYFlP7Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58372173874846155662015-04-29T13:12:28.538-05:002015-04-29T13:12:28.538-05:00There's a ongoing white riot going on in Nevad...There's a ongoing white riot going on in Nevada over grazing fees as we speak...Black Romulanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggOVNYFlP7Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17958863777310011802015-04-29T10:45:05.478-05:002015-04-29T10:45:05.478-05:00This innocent country set you down in a ghetto in ...This innocent country set you down in a ghetto in which, in fact, it intended that you should perish. Let me spell out precisely what I mean by that, for the heart of the matter is here, and the root of my dispute with my country. You were born where you were born and faced the future that you faced because you were black and for no other reason. The limits of your ambition were, thus, expected to be set forever. You were born into a society which spelled out with brutal clarity, and in as many ways as possible, that you were a worthless human being. You were not expected to aspire to excellence: you were expected to make peace with mediocrity.<br /><br />James Baldwin, Letter to My Nephew on the One<br />Hundredth Anniversary of the EmancipationBobbyVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17832366943967223412015-04-29T10:26:11.153-05:002015-04-29T10:26:11.153-05:00Chauncey,
You got mentioned on boingboing.net
h...Chauncey, <br /><br />You got mentioned on boingboing.net<br /><br />http://boingboing.net/2015/04/29/a-different-king-of-martin-lut.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Cory Doctorow (author of "Little Brother") Xeni Jardin (journalist, cancer survivor and SO of Miles O'Brien) and others run that blog. Expect an uptick in traffic.Buddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23981864374298716812015-04-29T09:18:06.034-05:002015-04-29T09:18:06.034-05:00You should see their enablers in my profession: Wh...You should see their enablers in my profession: White, usually gay, upper-class editors so rabid for a book that sells they'll publish (with great fanfare and excess) the most racist and homphobic feces from and for the Fox Fascism crowd. I know Chris Hedges is a tad off these days from religious despair, but his "Death of the Liberal Class" lecture hits on these points.Wild Catnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-18620135589908725902015-04-29T09:17:12.932-05:002015-04-29T09:17:12.932-05:00Cornell West's "Radical King" accura...Cornell West's "Radical King" accurately characterizes the man's uncompromising politics. beacon.org/The-Radical-King. While Michael Eric Dyson represents the white washed black bourgeoisie of Baltimore and all big cities, including cops and city officials of color. They exemplify the "class imperative" of "whitening," which corrupts us and turns us against the poor and the inexorably "getting poorer." Witness division and conquering in action.joe manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-64765908842363663972015-04-29T09:12:52.864-05:002015-04-29T09:12:52.864-05:00They were always violent here, whether toward them...They were always violent here, whether toward themselves, Native Americans, or their slaves. In Europe, they're savages---public hangings of the poor were family fare for ages. <br /><br /><br />The various white tribes moved here and in modern times they joined forces by making African Americans the Common Enemy. You have normally disenfranchised ex-Europeans (Jews, Italians, Irish) pissing on Black people for eons over here. It makes them feel "American."<br /><br /><br />Look at your average White American's solution to every human problem: "Bomb them!"<br /><br /><br />The US is a psychotic nation.Wild Catnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78131650880685810672015-04-29T08:23:37.150-05:002015-04-29T08:23:37.150-05:00I didn't intend to suggest that I believed tha...I didn't intend to suggest that I believed that Ghandi was non-violent. The facts are out that he created opportunities for types of violence in order to move his message, actions and results. From what I read, he not only did this in the political arena, he used a type of violence in his own ashram among his closest aides. It is my understanding that he used a form of violence to get leverage for getting his most desired results. <br />Yes, he was a complex man!Kameshwari Katenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-82306797105176649802015-04-29T08:08:33.529-05:002015-04-29T08:08:33.529-05:00I shared this on my Facebook page. I am so glad y...I shared this on my Facebook page. I am so glad you wrote this, though it seems like you've written this before. It seems with white folks they need repetition to learn something; they are slow. I am so sick and tired of my Facebook comments coming from white people quoting what Cornel West called the "Santa Claus" version of Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr. They think that if they recite the "I have a dream part" that they are enlightened. And then they call the protesters "animals," "thugs," "garbage," "from the jungle," and want the police to shoot them. Goddamn, even when I tell them point blank that their "inner Klan" is showing, they just double down. The white supremacist mentality is so hard to get through.James Scaminaci III, PhDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69807985536258856512015-04-29T00:46:19.130-05:002015-04-29T00:46:19.130-05:00Righteous anger, Chauncey. Righteous anger, Baltim...Righteous anger, Chauncey. Righteous anger, Baltimore. WTF did people expect to happen when black men are repeated harassed, demeaned and killed by white police officers? Why are people more concerned with property damage rather than a string of murdered people, many only children and young adults?<br /><br />"Black police officer kills unarmed white man. No charges or indictment expected," said no one ever.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40793724543260249842015-04-28T22:45:37.107-05:002015-04-28T22:45:37.107-05:00Kind of like Che Guevarra being sold on t-shirts b...Kind of like Che Guevarra being sold on t-shirts by H&M to rich kids going off to a G20 protest as a form of rebellion, before joining their parent's in the corporate world, later on in life.<br /><br /><br />Actually happens.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2109779809456479312015-04-28T22:30:39.588-05:002015-04-28T22:30:39.588-05:00Forgot to add: that America has been turned into a...Forgot to add: that America has been turned into a death culture. That many have lost so much hope for the future, that they believe there is almost no other way.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67317709734905442502015-04-28T22:27:15.076-05:002015-04-28T22:27:15.076-05:00Could be that so many White Americans have been di...Could be that so many White Americans have been disenfranchised that they seek to lash out against anyone. Consider that The Baby Boom generation had everything in their grasp, and then lost it all through their own votes and actions.<br /><br /><br />People don't like to look in the mirror. They like to find Others to blame for their own actions.<br /><br /><br />And in doing so, they lash out with violence. And support violence. Anything to make them feel better if they believe *key* that they are winning.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-87608392970351793182015-04-28T22:24:00.143-05:002015-04-28T22:24:00.143-05:00He played hard ball when he had to. Wasn't abo...He played hard ball when he had to. Wasn't above fighting dirty when it came to politics, even after The British exited India.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-15523707266705063852015-04-28T22:11:15.492-05:002015-04-28T22:11:15.492-05:00Ghandi's politics were based on the leverage i...Ghandi's politics were based on the leverage inherent in a British colony - India - and its indigenous majority to bring the machinery of British colonialism to a grinding halt with general strikes and other actions.<br />America's "white" majority *could* bring the machinery here to a grinding halt (the "black" minority can't). Unfortunately, the "white" majority doesn't even attempt this in matters of its own economic exploitation, largely because (and here is the supreme irony and intersection) the "white" majority is more concerned with maintaining its privileged bogus identity of "whiteness", than resisting its condition as an exploited class.<br />Simply put - after 400 years of a culture marinating willingly in the lies and mythology of race, most "white" Americans are more motivated by tribalism, contempt and fear than they are by hope.balitwilightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51278089392110098882015-04-28T21:56:56.161-05:002015-04-28T21:56:56.161-05:00The King they know is the commercialized "McK...The King they know is the commercialized "McKing."<br /><br />They couldn't square their insistence on whiteness validating King who said this:<br /><br />"White Americans must recognize that justice for black people cannot be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society. The comfortable, entrenched, the privileged cannot continue to tremble at the prospect of change of the status quo. … There is no separate white path to power and fulfillment, short of social disaster, that does not share power with black aspirations for freedom and human dignity."<br /><br />King regularly dropped similar bombs of truth such as this:<br /><br />"It is an unhappy truth that racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle; the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic. And I can see nothing more urgent than for America to work passionately and unrelentingly to get rid of the disease of racism."<br /><br /><br /><br />Now safely dead, this is the King they want to pretend did not exist.Gable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-59953893211455476752015-04-28T21:49:38.592-05:002015-04-28T21:49:38.592-05:00They have a major political faction named after a ...They have a major political faction named after a riot.Charnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54296631085131620622015-04-28T21:45:12.599-05:002015-04-28T21:45:12.599-05:00What was a strategy has been perverted into a mora...What was a strategy has been perverted into a moral expectation that Blacks not meet violence with violence.Charnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26310976031210654362015-04-28T21:18:00.474-05:002015-04-28T21:18:00.474-05:00I just think it is rather perverse considering Kin...I just think it is rather perverse considering King was violently killed by one of them, as a reward for all of his peaceful protesting. Just playing the suggestion out in the mind, to its ultimate end. Translates to "be quiet and wait for us to kill you."seeknsanitynoreply@blogger.com