tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post359133076235659039..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: "Treason to Whiteness is Loyalty to Humanity": "V for Vendetta" as a Corrective for the White Privilege Collective Action ProblemLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42804470621790966072013-08-21T16:01:08.366-05:002013-08-21T16:01:08.366-05:00Be careful, you subversives are gonna get yourselv...Be careful, you subversives are gonna get yourselves in trouble ;) quiet warriors have to walk silently.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-47078976451669835682013-08-20T12:06:43.441-05:002013-08-20T12:06:43.441-05:00As a white guy and someone who hires people for my...As a white guy and someone who hires people for my department, I always give preference to African American males first. Not even "all things being equal" just first because all things are never equal. Then women, then the rest. Financial success in life is almost entirely who you know and that ain't right. I don't act out of white guilt, just doing my part to bend the arc of justice.DanFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-78043431887530495252013-08-19T09:55:53.533-05:002013-08-19T09:55:53.533-05:00(grin) Never said it was rational; few issues aro...(grin) Never said it was rational; few issues around the social fiction of race are. <br /><br />But I do think it's real and that it can keep persons of good will separated.Franknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16023589485917316402013-08-17T18:17:37.096-05:002013-08-17T18:17:37.096-05:00You're absolutely right. And I know it's ...You're absolutely right. And I know it's wishful thinking but it's like you stated about starting w/ourselves... Less judgement more respect. Imbalance is not a bad thing when good/sharing/compassion is heaviest...Learning is Eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1353799199410835992013-08-17T17:45:35.731-05:002013-08-17T17:45:35.731-05:00We don't bite...unless you want us to ;)We don't bite...unless you want us to ;)chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-4489305615208155472013-08-17T17:45:20.030-05:002013-08-17T17:45:20.030-05:00That is the problem with the empathy gap where the...That is the problem with the empathy gap where the in-group does not see the out-group at all like themselves, no?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-46573362163851758742013-08-17T17:44:54.193-05:002013-08-17T17:44:54.193-05:00Every now and then we manage to be coherent despit...Every now and then we manage to be coherent despite ourselves.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65579156864934907352013-08-17T09:08:30.769-05:002013-08-17T09:08:30.769-05:00Love your third paragraph in particular. Thanks.Love your third paragraph in particular. Thanks.Daniel Goldbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-60650784329039209802013-08-16T21:39:25.821-05:002013-08-16T21:39:25.821-05:00There you go! Sounds great!There you go! Sounds great!chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7623572584626302812013-08-16T18:03:28.692-05:002013-08-16T18:03:28.692-05:00I'll keep it simple. Treat/respect those like...I'll keep it simple. Treat/respect those like you see your self being treated. If any/all could start w/tha, maybe, we could work our way toward a more mature convo about most things not just delegated to race.Learning is Eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75925355918547744742013-08-16T17:59:37.075-05:002013-08-16T17:59:37.075-05:00I push for lead abatement so children have the sam...I push for lead abatement so children have the same privileges that I had, I give women a platform and a voice. I back Gay and Lesbian people, sometimes serving as a body guard, I push for equal access and health care for the disabled and sick.<br /><br />I don't put words in their mouths, ortry to speak FOR people who have less privilege than me. When they find their voices, they become leaders.<br /><br />Among my students I force them to confront their misogyny, homophobia, and encourage meeting and discussing things with people of other backgrounds and races.<br /><br />Most of my family's wealth was consumed by my grandparents' cancers, and frankly, I don't have much to give, except recommendations and letters to economically disadvantaged youth. <br /><br />And I show them exactly what they are up against, and help them to understand ways of getting around it.<br /><br />We do a pretty good job. We're considered a model program.kscoyotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45066191733264849592013-08-16T16:22:35.723-05:002013-08-16T16:22:35.723-05:00As a white guy, I think the most important lesson ...As a white guy, I think the most important lesson I've learned from some of my not-white friends is that it is possible to talk with them, in person, in a restaurant or living room, about race and have good, productive, open conversations and even feel closer to each other when you are done.<br /><br />I've observed elsewhere (on my own blog) that the only persons who don't want to have "that conversation about race" are the white folks; everyone else seems quite willing. <br /><br />I think that even white folks of good will fear it. I'm not quite sure why, but I think it has something to do with not wanting to confront what their ancestors (certainly some of my ancestors), neighbors, and colleagues have done, are doing, and will do.<br /><br />Just my two cents.Franknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-3315840814166027882013-08-16T11:50:53.571-05:002013-08-16T11:50:53.571-05:00It is funny how folks generally want to talk in bi...It is funny how folks generally want to talk in big terms about changing the world but do not start where it can be most difficult--with themselves, their family, and immediate circle of friends and community. Too frightening to think that "those people" who "act that way" and "have those types of beliefs" are right in front of them.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7094865940975354492013-08-16T11:49:40.398-05:002013-08-16T11:49:40.398-05:00And how do you do that on a daily basis?And how do you do that on a daily basis?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25952000423539478242013-08-16T11:17:09.698-05:002013-08-16T11:17:09.698-05:00I can remember reading something (100 yrs ago) tha...I can remember reading something (100 yrs ago) that a similar question was asked of Malcolm by a white "fan" and Malcolm mused that if such a question were asked several years before he would have shooed the guy away but instead he turned to the guy and said (I wish I had this in front of me) words to the effect that the guy should go back to his own (white) community/people/town whatever and begin confronting the racism and ignorance there-start with family and friends-how his self and space and the immediate world around him impacts the lives and spaces of others in other communities and towns and cities - something like that. At least that is how I remember it.sam enderbyhttp://www.feedingtherich.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85682969017757786822013-08-16T08:44:40.840-05:002013-08-16T08:44:40.840-05:00We all have our privileges, both earned and unearn...We all have our privileges, both earned and unearned. I was raised by a loving, relatively wealthy family, my environment was kept clean and safe, I am a straight male, I have a Degree & Title, I am able-bodied and healthy. My tyoe of intelligence is valued, and I test well. <br /><br />The point isn't whether or not I have these privileges - the point is whether or not I work to protect them, or extend them to others.<br /><br />Also, you should see Drums article on lead poisoning, race and crime.<br /><br />http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/08/lead-crime-racism-black-white-juvenilekscoyotenoreply@blogger.com