tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post3217921017166133647..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Dear Chris Hayes, The Human Face of the Republican Government Shutdown Should Not Be a Black WomanLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19784705173250861382013-10-15T04:04:54.485-05:002013-10-15T04:04:54.485-05:00Wow. What a 'dis-eased'and anthrophied min...Wow. What a 'dis-eased'and anthrophied mind you have! You came here to post all of that dreck? Basically saying 'a whole lot of nothing' I blush with embarrassment for your stupidity.Truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23655487833936149952013-10-14T14:36:44.409-05:002013-10-14T14:36:44.409-05:00Would MSNBC have changed any conservatives' mi...Would MSNBC have changed any conservatives' minds if they had invited on a male federal employee of any other ethnicity? I doubt it.The Sanity Inspectorhttp://atlantarofters.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48436093130506178142013-10-14T06:06:55.008-05:002013-10-14T06:06:55.008-05:00They have no soul in regards to their own kind, ev...They have no soul in regards to their own kind, even extremely less when it comes to mine. So yes, please remove that sister from all advertis-ments & false propaganda kin to this shutdown.Learning is Eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5869123367206438502013-10-13T15:31:19.589-05:002013-10-13T15:31:19.589-05:00with you all the way with this. you are absolutely...with you all the way with this. you are absolutely on point. and another reason why Hayes needs to go.rikyrahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7366496468093206162013-10-13T10:50:29.590-05:002013-10-13T10:50:29.590-05:00Chris Hayes is pretty slow when it comes to politi...Chris Hayes is pretty slow when it comes to politics. He said he didn't get it until he saw the Lincoln movie. So he's been studying politics with his head in his ass all these years. I guess he put it back in when the movie was over.Vic78noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-5304809779828990302013-10-12T13:07:46.028-05:002013-10-12T13:07:46.028-05:00White supremacy is one hell of a drug folks. Be mi...White supremacy is one hell of a drug folks. Be mindful of the hustle you see here and in other online spaces--trying to use some "data" and "research" to then pivot to an old school white racist framework. Know their hustle. Study them. I will leave this comment up for study purposes.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1370170497500094542013-10-12T12:39:05.657-05:002013-10-12T12:39:05.657-05:00No I haven't. I will definitely do so. I know ...No I haven't. I will definitely do so. I know the SPLC has documented the infiltration of the Tea Party by white militia organizations. And the doubling down on white voters strategy by the GOP is basically taken from a white supremacist website--that is another story that demands more attention too.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-48697580305685364202013-10-12T11:00:46.150-05:002013-10-12T11:00:46.150-05:00League of the South and even the KKK have gone on ...League of the South and even the KKK have gone on to denounce violence to minorities. They say they just want to protect the status of white people in much the same way organizations like NAACP protect people of color. crazyBryan Orteznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2167213695538421502013-10-12T10:58:18.516-05:002013-10-12T10:58:18.516-05:00"the era of useless eaters is coming to an en..."the era of useless eaters is coming to an end" <br /><br />That's the problem. People declaring that other people are 'useless eaters.' That is basically you judging others. get off thatBryan Orteznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28426623876102276762013-10-12T10:57:00.252-05:002013-10-12T10:57:00.252-05:00"Repeated exposure to imagery of white people..."Repeated exposure to imagery of white people as racist bullies who lack empathy and are manipulative of non-whites is adopted as reality."<br /><br />Apparently this isn't part of your reality, but this is an everyday interaction I have with whites in my personal world as well as my virtual world.<br /><br />If you took a clear, full look at history you could plainly see that white skin does come with many privileges. Often one of those is simply being born in safe and secure living conditions with access to a quality public education.<br /><br />There should be no guilt felt by white folks, especially those who out of a genuine knowledge of their own privilege and an awareness of the real and not imagined racism around them seek to spread good constructive knowledge about social inequalities that exist in American society and disproportionately impact people of color.<br /><br />"whites hate themselves for their racist tendencies"<br /><br />No real white racist hates themselves for their racist BS. Any white who has consciously realized they do judge others by the appearance of their skin as a learned attribute could 'hate themselves' but will be more likely to recognize how they talk and think about people of color than one who lives in adamant denial that there are even subconscious stereotypes that shape their interactions with others.<br /><br />Clearly you are a pretty smart person. Holding onto this perception that blacks need to be collectively scolded for the behavior of other black people is absolutely ridiculous, especially while you simultaneously pat whites on the back for rejecting the notion that racial privilege exists and is real.Bryan Orteznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73941039763991021252013-10-12T08:11:14.407-05:002013-10-12T08:11:14.407-05:00I'll check it out. Also have you been followin...I'll check it out. Also have you been following Warren Throckmorton's blog? He's been covering the intrusion of white supremacist groups into far-right organizations like the League of the South, and its affiliated organizations like Institute on the Constitution.JWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2664392764783148832013-10-12T07:55:19.084-05:002013-10-12T07:55:19.084-05:00Just watched the video; how can anyone with a hear...Just watched the video; how can anyone with a heart not have sympathy for this young woman. Here, she's the epitome of the "personal responsibility" right; a hard working, self sufficient woman taking care of her family on her own, thrown out of work by hypocrites who have the nerve to cry about needing their paychecks while they deprive others of theirs to carry out an ideological and personal vendetta against the President. Were she not black, a single mother and working for the government (e.g a white man?), this is the kind of person the GOP would hold up as an example of their "values." <br /><br /><br />Put the required platitude of "we've come a long way" that's required to be trotted out in order to minimize the latest racial atrocity up against the acknowledgement that a woman like this, deserving of respect and empathy, still cannot be taken on face value for her plight, because she is black and we can really see where we are. Its not very "far" at all.Gable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88734221799734310332013-10-12T07:41:36.704-05:002013-10-12T07:41:36.704-05:00Some, thankfully are starting to call it out, What...Some, thankfully are starting to call it out, What the republicans are doing is unprecedented and so egregious that its become hard for the usual media suspects to continue to play their "both sides do it," false equivalency game reporting the story. It is being leveraged for entertainment. Watching reporting on the story on TV, there's a play-by-play, who's up and who's down aspect to it, versus a focus on the facts and the impact. Clearly, for many in the Fourth Estate, there couldn't have been a better gift than this to feed the need for ratings.Gable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2825420303211917742013-10-11T22:43:02.471-05:002013-10-11T22:43:02.471-05:00A few in the media are calling this out. We need m...A few in the media are calling this out. We need more voices, with an even bigger platform to stay on this issue and shame the Tea Party secesh trash back into their holes. But remember, the money is in the drama and the Tea Party brigands are mighty entertaining.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-53103970191977519122013-10-11T22:42:12.670-05:002013-10-11T22:42:12.670-05:00How kind. Public racism is making a comeback despi...How kind. Public racism is making a comeback despite all of the pronouncements of its death. Ironically, the election of Obama has made it more likely not less that white supremacy is being publicly embraced by a very vocal and dangerous element of the American people.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-72226185047480156172013-10-11T22:02:04.986-05:002013-10-11T22:02:04.986-05:00What's happening is a continuation of the Civi...What's happening is a continuation of the Civil War. "States rights," the interposition and nullification of the President and an entire electorate that duly elected him are all making a comeback. Just as the forces of slavery and their "noble cause" could not prevail politically via democratic processes provided by the Constitution, neither do today's cultural and political antecedents of the Confederates of yesteryear feel similarly bound in "taking their country back."<br /><br /><br />The association of blacks with the government had its roots in the Civil War and Reconstruction, when blacks were allowed to fight for the Union, and later when, with a government "guarantee" of the same rights whites took for granted (and still do) to blacks. What we're seeing today is a similar backlash, when the same political forces arranged to have the government abandon black reconstructionists to the vagaries of rGable1111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-33650736070871284652013-10-11T19:38:52.601-05:002013-10-11T19:38:52.601-05:00Christian Dominionists are highly politicized by/i...Christian Dominionists are highly politicized by/in the Right. They are key to the coalition which the Tea Party GOP has become. Have you seen Jesus Camp? Very good. Kevin Phillips touches on that dynamic to in American Theocracy.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32989737984781037912013-10-11T19:25:35.949-05:002013-10-11T19:25:35.949-05:00"Second, the Tea Party GOP, which is now a So..."Second, the Tea Party GOP, which is now a Southern political party and the contemporary descendant of the Confederacy"<br />I'm right now I'm over at Right Wing Watch reading about the Values Voter Summit, and had a thought that brought me back to this post I read earlier today. One of the analyses of ordinary participation in the Civil War by southerners took a look at northern and southern views of religion. Northern religious people, it asserted, were more inclined to social change, and abolitionism could be promoted this way. The south, however, had a focus on personal salvation, apart from social change. If that religious viewpoint is changing, it marks a significant difference from former conservative tactics in politics. I wonder if religious fervour is going to be a dominating force in future politics. I know conservative politics are already wrapped in religiosity, but I mean in a sense that churches will become politicized in a way that they generally haven't in the south (at least since the antebellum/Civil War era). Am I over-thinking things, or is this something I'm just slow in understanding?JWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90960523509777339222013-10-11T13:53:29.253-05:002013-10-11T13:53:29.253-05:00Completely cogent argument. Well done. As a middle...Completely cogent argument. Well done. As a middle aged, raised by liberal Quakers person, I've been shocked by the public racism in recent years. I suspect Chris Hayes fell prey to the value of diversity and didn't apply it more judiciously. To do do, s the writer points out, is potentially of much greater service to the cause of justice than whose fair or dark face is on the TV tonight.<br /><br />Great article. Thanks to its writer.docbetsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23403576748298509232013-10-11T13:47:35.435-05:002013-10-11T13:47:35.435-05:00If are, you will do fineIf are, you will do finegysgt213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74737286113103880992013-10-11T12:30:54.112-05:002013-10-11T12:30:54.112-05:00This is inside baseball stuff that others can help...This is inside baseball stuff that others can help with. I am not sure how many TV hosts on those networks have much say in the actual guests who show up. Anyone know? Maybe the super big names w. years in the game, but others?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30695123904921448292013-10-11T12:27:57.434-05:002013-10-11T12:27:57.434-05:00Chauncey, Yes she is and yet does she get to pick ...Chauncey, Yes she is and yet does she get to pick who her"guests" are and if she does why does she insist to invite the Koch Brother shills from "Reason" from time to time without identifying them as such? But she is a great and important presence on TV AND, also, a FofR (?)-whats wrong with that?sam enderbyhttp://www.feedingtherich.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-86668091897782552912013-10-11T12:11:26.494-05:002013-10-11T12:11:26.494-05:00The black nationalist in me hates to agree with th...The black nationalist in me hates to agree with this. But it's a painful truth. PainfulWavensteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-76001940867679562322013-10-11T11:44:03.824-05:002013-10-11T11:44:03.824-05:00Melissa is cool folks and is a political scientist...Melissa is cool folks and is a political scientist. She has been doing some really good stuff and is still getting going. To see someone make the transition to TV as quickly as she has is very impressive to be honest.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17138098554820993402013-10-11T11:42:27.701-05:002013-10-11T11:42:27.701-05:00If I am so lucky and feel ready and prepared.If I am so lucky and feel ready and prepared.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com