tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post3082864824436988978..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Buchanan's "Boy"; Obama the "Tar Baby": Forget the Amateurish Racism Chasing, You All Need to be Reading This Piece on Tea Party Confederates InsteadLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17739436378619413332011-08-11T11:38:50.633-05:002011-08-11T11:38:50.633-05:00fred c...Anytime!fred c...Anytime!DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28887897073525784092011-08-11T05:13:04.811-05:002011-08-11T05:13:04.811-05:00So Deb, it seems like we agree on everything, sema...So Deb, it seems like we agree on everything, semantics and a bit of rhetoric aside. Thanks again for not finding more fault with me than you absolutely had to.fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73236748475636434982011-08-10T23:14:51.888-05:002011-08-10T23:14:51.888-05:00fredc…You’re welcome - on all counts. No, no prob...fredc…You’re welcome - on all counts. No, no problems here – as long as we, each are clear about where the other stands.<br /><br /><b>”Not kissing ass here, it's just obvious to me.”</b><br /><br />Obvious to me too, but again, it’s your brethren, who have a problem getting that through their heads. Or maybe they <b>DO</b> get it - and that’s why they're so afraid.<br /> <br /><b>”Black Americans have evinced a genius for solving problems and enduring hostile environments…and yet they're still in the game. .. It's almost like a miracle, the fabulous accomplishments of Black Americans over all this time, in spite of it all, and I'm not, repeat, NOT, talking about entertainment and sports figures.”</b><br /><br />Yes we have… and yes we are (as much as one wants to be - in “the game”). But when those “hostile environments” won’t just damn die, there’s <i>nothing else to do</i> but survive - or die. And while there’s definitely plenty to be said for our perseverance as compared to others (given how long this shit keeps going on!), we’re neither more, nor less “suited by nature,” than anyone else for whom surviving and thriving is important. It’s the <i>“nature” of human beings</i> (entertainment and sports figures included)!<br /><br />“…It’s almost like a miracle,” - but not, fred c. It’d take up too much space for me to tell you why not here, so if I may, and when you have time, I’ll let Mr. James Baldwin explain it for me - http://youtu.be/FzxAGuacm18 (this is only Part 1, there are 5, and I strongly suggest you “hear” all).<br /><br /><b>” Maybe I'm talking about you, Deb. You sound like an intelligent woman, and kind enough to be tolerant of a fool like me.”</b><br /><br />I choose to survive and thrive, Man – on my own terms. And I am pretty intelligent, mainly because I understand that I don’t know everything. And I'm also kind (mostly). But one thing I am not, is tolerant – of fools or anyone else. I accept (or not, as is my choice) - <i>because who wants to be just tolerated!</i><br /><br /><b>” Maybe I just want you to stay in my country, because I think you make it a better place and I'm proud to have you there. Even though I can't afford to live there myself anymore.”</b><br /><br />Now <i>that’s</i> at once, selfish and magnanimous! And hell, with so much materialism-induced craziness going on around here, some of us can’t <i>really</i> afford to live here either! :-)DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-12376759159208967542011-08-10T08:05:48.585-05:002011-08-10T08:05:48.585-05:00Wow, Deb, thanks for your time, thanks for sharing...Wow, Deb, thanks for your time, thanks for sharing your insights, and thanks most of all for the gentle handling. <br /><br />I don't think that we have any real problems here, but I'd like to explain one thing re: "suited by nature and inclination . . ." <br /><br />Suited by nature because, in my opinion, American Blacks are very intelligent and capable in every measurable way that I am familiar with. Not kissing ass here, it's just obvious to me. <br /><br />Suited by inclination because, again, in my opinion and experience, Black Americans have evinced a genius for solving problems and enduring hostile environments. How else could I explain how the culture has not only survived, but thrived, for all this time? I have said it before, but perhaps it bears repeating: the culture of Black America is like someone who sat in a poker game for hundreds of years, starting with like no money, never getting the good cards, other players were cheating, etc, etc, and yet they're still in the game. It's almost like a miracle, the fabulous accomplishments of Black Americans over all this time, in spite of it all, and I'm not, repeat, NOT, talking about entertainment and sports figures. <br /><br />Maybe I'm talking about you, Deb. You sound like an intelligent woman, and kind enough to be tolerant of a fool like me. You sound like you've made your way in this world. Maybe I just want you to stay in my country, because I think you make it a better place, and I'm proud to have you there. Even though I can't afford to live there myself anymore.fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36267783214867354622011-08-10T07:54:21.415-05:002011-08-10T07:54:21.415-05:00Oh Crap...It is apparent YOU are becuase YOU are s...Oh Crap...It is apparent YOU are becuase YOU are still posting about this....lol,lol,lolPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-66893502791617786732011-08-10T05:12:01.341-05:002011-08-10T05:12:01.341-05:00@Thrasher, you brought it up, why not just say why...@Thrasher, you brought it up, why not just say why?<br /><br />What makes you believe anyone is in retreat...from YOU? Rotfl.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57428706064575007272011-08-09T23:52:37.771-05:002011-08-09T23:52:37.771-05:00Part 2:
”American Blacks are fully-dues-paid-up m...Part 2:<br /><br /><b>”American Blacks are fully-dues-paid-up members of a vast, vibrant and wonderful culture, and I mean your own mostly but also American culture in general, who are intimately familiar with the unique problems of being Black in America and are admirably well suited by nature, inclination and experience to deal with those problems.”</b><br /><br />You don’t have to tell <i>ME</i> that! I think it is your brethren who need to get that through their heads! As for the “American culture in general,” I’d have to say that depends on the lens through which you view it.<br /><br />And as “intimately familiar” as we are (<b>and “admirably well suited by nature(?), inclination(?) and experience to deal with those problems”</b> - not real sure <i>WHAT</i> you meant by that!) - I’d have to say that lynching or killing by other means (like being rolled over by a damned pick-up truck or shot to death while cuffed by a Bart cop! In the late <b>2000’s!</b>); being either overtly or covertly disrespected on the regular; being abused by police; hoodwinked and bamboozled by a system that never meant to serve us and to which plenty of us <i>ARE STILL</i> trying catch-up because we were closed out for so long - all gets pretty old.<br /><br /><b>” So where would you feel better off?”</b><br /><br />I didn’t know it before I went (that whole “Americanness” thing), but I do now - Africa.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22114933086895993082011-08-09T23:44:42.562-05:002011-08-09T23:44:42.562-05:00fredc…Didn’t say YOU were, I said IF you merely me...fredc…Didn’t say YOU were, I said IF you <i>merely</i> meant materially, it seemed to me a very “American Exceptionalism” road to travel. Your answer clarified that was not “merely” what you meant.<br /> <br />We can agree to disagree but - as I watch my “culture” continuously being assailed by white folk, all while they simultaneously co-opt and then profit from it greatly, with little, if any of that profit “trickling down” or even at times, not being given credit for “from whence it came” and, with many of our youth being <b>“emotionally” damaged,</b> or worse – killed, because they “fit the description,” are in the wrong place/wrong time or do not <i>strictly</i> conform (while others don’t have to) - I can honestly say that on both counts, as a Black “individual” woman living in America for the past 55 years, I can tell you that I do not feel “better off” - either culturally or emotionally. But that’s just me (not a “melting pot” kinda girl – I prefer a “tossed salad” with each ingredient bringing their own distinctly different flavors to the mix, forming something really tasty and beautiful!).<br /><br /><b>”…where should American Blacks go for greater comfort, acceptance and prosperity? And it's a sad question, given that all of these things are compromised in America for its Black citizens.”</b><br /><br />I can’t say where American Blacks should go. It depends on what one really wants out of life – and why. For me though, comfort and prosperity is relative. Having gone from a slop jar to a porcelain god – I think I can manage. Acceptance, however, is a different sticky wicket. I’ve no burning desire to be <i>accepted where I’m not wanted</i> - that’s just “tolerance,” and who wants to be just tolerated?!<br /><br /><b>”Africa, I'm afraid, is quite out of the question. Africans do not accept American Blacks as Africans, nor even particularly black. They even have a problem with the "shame" associated with having been a slave culture. Europe?”</b><br /><br />Part 1:<br />We can agree to disagree as to whether it is “quite out of the question.” As I said in the comment to which you are responding - <i>“I think it imperative that we yield some of our “Americanness”</i> should one decide to go. And, while I totally agree that Africans do not accept American Blacks as Africans (also said as much in the comment), I’d beg to differ with your <i>“nor even particularly Black” assessment.</i> At least that has not been my experience. As for their “shame,” again, we can agree to disagree as that has not been my experience. What you call “shame” about slavery, I experienced as a “roiling anger” – at least in West Africa (the only part of the continent in which I’ve actually been). And no, since America is the spawn of that “the very same Devil,” Europe would be where I’d go on holiday – <i>from Africa.</i><br /><br /><b>”Myself, I live in Thailand, and I may never go back to America, and it works out well for me, but I could live here for fifty years and become a full citizen and I would never be accepted.”</b><br /><br />So it's okay for you to live in a country with which you have <i>no</i> shared history, but out of the question for Black Americans to go to Africa, with which we not only have a shared history (no matter how long ago it was) to include some cultural proclivities - but also shared skin color?? Don't follow that reasoning. No offense intended, but you look white in your picture and as a white guy, I can understand why you’d never be ”accepted” in Thailand no matter how long you stayed! Now if you were born and raised there, you might have had a shot! :-)DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-84451438139437251212011-08-09T21:13:45.221-05:002011-08-09T21:13:45.221-05:00Deb: I have never been an "American Exception...Deb: I have never been an "American Exceptionalist," and by "better off" I mean culturally and emotionally, on an individual basis. <br /><br />My question is: where should American Blacks go for greater comfort, acceptance and prosperity? And it's a sad question, given that all of these things are compromised in America for its Black citizens. Africa, I'm afraid, is quite out of the question. Africans do not accept American Blacks as Africans, nor even particularly black. They even have a problem with the "shame" associated with having been a slave culture. Europe? You'd volunteer to become part of a Black Immigrant "problem?" I hear that Chile is nice, and not unwelcoming to immigrants (who can lavishly pay their own way), but would you honestly suggest that a Black American should abandon their culture for Chile? How about Brazil? Myself, I live in Thailand, and I may never go back to America, and it works out well for me, but I could live here for fifty years and become a full citizen and I would never be accepted. (Not in the cards at my age, just saying.)<br /><br />American Blacks are fully-dues-paid-up members of a vast, vibrant and wonderful culture, and I mean your own mostly but also American culture in general, who are intimately familiar with the unique problems of being Black in America and are admirably well suited by nature, inclination and experience to deal with those problems. NOTWITHSTANDING the horrific nature of how you got to America in the first place or the daunting nature of the ongoing problems. So where would you feel better off?fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-385456529083935992011-08-09T15:47:29.349-05:002011-08-09T15:47:29.349-05:00He was so special a talent wasn't he?”
CD…Yes...<b>He was so special a talent wasn't he?”</b><br /><br />CD…Yes he was! And quite unlike the “jazzbos” to which fred c referred, Mr. Baldwin was no Herman Cain! He was, however, <i>“absolutely present,” in both his life and ours,</i> and <b>“vividly clear”</b> about that “Devil you know” – wherever it resided.<br /><br />fred c…If I may ask, <b>”better off” than whom/what?</b> Given our inauspicious arrival via the Trans-Atlantic, courtesy of the very same “Devil” to which you refer, I think it’s safe to say that Black folk have <i>never</i>, “felt” better off in America - unless you merely mean “materially,” which to me seems, a very “American exceptionalism” road to travel.<br /><br />I think the answer to (Tanya's thoughts) is as complex and multi-faceted as the question itself, requiring some deep, “Who Are You?” contemplation (over and over again, as necessary!), coupled with some honest, “What do you <i>really want</i> and Why?” considerations.<br /><br />Tanya…Oh Crap is right of course, throwing “American” into the mix definitely increases the “crappy treatment,” contrary to that whole “exceptionalism” thing this country keeps trying to sell both here and globally.<br /><br />And while I totally <i>get</i> both his and CD’s rationale for staying - (though Oh Crap, the fine line between rights and privileges being perpetually blurred, I struggle with the <i>“at least the same thing” for future gens</i> - still. And I don’t know CD, adding that, what was good for the “Lockean” goose, certainly was <b>not</b> good for the “Native American” gander - the word Sisyphean immediately springs to mind!) - both you and Ank (thanx for your link! The Gambia?) hit upon a question that’s long been on my mind: “Why <b>BE</b> where one’s not wanted?” The answer again, is “as complex and multi-faceted as the question itself.”<br /><br />Glad you mentioned Africa though. Seems most people’s ex-pat inclination is to first, think of Europe or Canada – both of their racial histories notwithstanding: http://apastdenied.ca/.<br /><br />Africa, however, rarely seems a first thought - especially for kinfolk- due in large part I suppose, to that “distance deliberately created” by the slave trade (about which Baldwin so eloquently speaks). Not long ago, I found out for myself, in ways small and large, just how much, “drinking the proverbial kool-aid” of American exceptionalism IS actually “in us” (now I know why I’ve never used African-American as a descriptor!). I can kinda understand Liberia, given that’s what “The Great Emancipator” had in mind for all of us. But it’s a huge continent!<br /><br />Of course other reasons, too, come into play, such as fear of the unknown as it relates to how/if one can work/live/get medical treatment, etc. – but I think the main reason kinfolk don’t choose Africa first, has to do with the fact that Black as we are, we are still Americans and this is all most of us know, or care to know. I think your “abusive husband” analogy is dead-on in so many ways (not only regarding emigration, but in relation to the Obama presidency as well!). It explains quite nicely the PTSD (post-traumatic slavery disorder) that haunts us here - no matter our level of success (which is absolutely relative, as the title of this post clearly indicates).<br /><br />More and more though, I’m in agreement with Christopher Sharp’s <b>"…many of us who posted today seem to accept that our present state of race relations is inevitable. Luckily, that is not always the case, though you sometimes have to leave the U.S. to see how it all could have turned out differently.”</b><br /><br /><i>And,</i> we don’t have to necessarily “yield our American citizenship” to at least check it out - though I think it imperative that we yield some of our “Americanness!” (Christopher, though Belize was not a British “colony” in the typical sense, they did have slavery – some of them brought from Angola if I'm not mistaken.)DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-1914675215266098292011-08-08T14:50:29.303-05:002011-08-08T14:50:29.303-05:00Oh Crap...I observe you are still not addressing m...Oh Crap...I observe you are still not addressing my direct question..I brought up TNC and you said nothing..I brought up Daniel because I thought his post was lacking...Daniel being white and jewish mattered to me that is why I brought ..<br /><br />And no I don't agree with your myopic axiom that white privledge is white privledge regardless of religion/ethnicity.. You are so intent of being the noble negro in here at my expense your blind spots is destroying all of your vision..(Just for you in a chat forum I ran a spell check)..SO just answer my questions so far you are in retreat and deflection mode....I am moving onPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-56340775871034889472011-08-08T14:29:28.135-05:002011-08-08T14:29:28.135-05:00In my humblest respect to you, my beloved brother ...In my humblest respect to you, my beloved brother Chauncey DeVega - <br /><br />Can you tell me in your own words why the words said by Malik Zulu Shabazz are less offensive than the words said by Buchanan and the other Republican who referenced "Tar Baby"?<br /><br /><br />Zulu Shabazz calls Obama a Ninja<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz5BzIrHulE<br /><br />I am not sure of the answer, CD, but do you recall generating a post on your illustrious blog after Zulu Shabazz said these things about Obama BOMBING LIBYA?<br /><br />Did you make a post about OBAMA BOMBING AFRICA since the NATO bombing raids of Libya (and Somalia) commenced?Constructive Feedbackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417405356099504421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57693242352863722842011-08-08T02:26:58.289-05:002011-08-08T02:26:58.289-05:00And no I done agree with your myopic axiom that wh...<i>And no I done agree with your myopic axiom that white privledge is white privledge regardless of religion/ethnicity you are so intent of being the noble negro in here at my expense you blind spots is detroying all of your vision..</i><br /><br />Lol whatever that hasty, irrational sentence was supposed to mean.<br /><br />Daniel's being [J]ewish is irrelevant to anything, unless you'd like to enlighten everyone who's not a washed up laptop nationalist just why it is. You brought it up, no one else. Why?Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27812907368541326012011-08-08T02:13:04.877-05:002011-08-08T02:13:04.877-05:00@Thrasher
Jew Baiting !!! What are you referring ...@Thrasher<br /><br /><i>Jew Baiting !!! What are you referring to??</i><br /><br />Oh my! <br /><br />Clutch those pearls!!Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24750197680305134232011-08-08T02:11:53.174-05:002011-08-08T02:11:53.174-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85178193380714984422011-08-07T17:52:10.388-05:002011-08-07T17:52:10.388-05:00@My Beloved Brother Chauncey DeVega:
I am willing...@My Beloved Brother Chauncey DeVega:<br /><br />I am willing to pay for a 6 week "Pony Lesson" so you can grow beyond your "One Trick". <br /><br />@ Tonya:<br />[quote]My thoughts: I've never understood why there hasn't been a massive emigration of black Americans to other countries. [/quote]<br /><br />The point that you fail to understand is the value of the INDICTMENT AGAINST AMERICA for the Progressive-Fundamentalist.<br /><br />YIELD your American citizenship and you YIELD your ability to indict over the past in the pursuit of "Social Justice".<br /><br />More Africans were kidnapped to South America than to North America. What other than America's relative wealth can account for the lack of a "South American Reparations Movement" against their government?<br /><br />A move would require the Black Progressive-Fundamentalist to actually start DELIVERING human resource development for the little Black boy and girl born today instead of focusing on how our culture was STOLEN 4 hundred years ago.<br /><br />That original culture was formed BECAUSE our ancestors were placed in inhospitable lands that required a system of human behavior lest they all DIE.<br /><br />What better time than today to create a functional culture?Constructive Feedbackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417405356099504421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23571462993410062332011-08-07T17:12:05.837-05:002011-08-07T17:12:05.837-05:00Oh Crap.
Jew Baiting !!! What are you referring t...Oh Crap.<br /><br />Jew Baiting !!! What are you referring to?? Please refrain from inserting your contempt into my comments..I asked you a simple question how come you only focused on my reservations about focusing Daniel's and not TNC?? And what I did I get from you ..Nothing but avoidance and deflection and the need to demonize me because I had an opinion that you did not have the courage and depth to ponder let alone ask in the public light..<br /><br />I question your claim that you would defend my honor all I see you do is dancing on one foot.<br /><br />And no I done agree with your myopic axiom that white privledge is white privledge regardless of religion/ethnicity you are so intent of being the noble negro in here at my expense you blind spots is detroying all of your vision..Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85829422066209272862011-08-07T17:03:07.449-05:002011-08-07T17:03:07.449-05:00Daniel..
DittoDaniel..<br /><br />DittoPlane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74876787974271087262011-08-07T15:09:17.083-05:002011-08-07T15:09:17.083-05:00@Thrasher
Jew-baiting does matter to me since whi...@Thrasher<br /><br />Jew-baiting does matter to me since white is white and white priv is white priv regardless of religion/ethnicity. I'd say the exact same thing to someone coming in here and trying to black-bait you, what of it.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25418610557498556252011-08-07T12:14:18.689-05:002011-08-07T12:14:18.689-05:00Gotcha, Thrasher, thanks for the clarification. W...Gotcha, Thrasher, thanks for the clarification. We differ on the merits of using what I perceive as inaccurate and crude caricatures in the service of an end I want to say we share -- highlighting the pervasive, constant presence of racism in whiteness and in American society in general.<br /><br />I think it would be better to point that out and attack it mercilessly without such caricatures, but I understand your pragmatic aim along the lines of "by most means necessary."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88443779593706755302011-08-07T09:08:09.117-05:002011-08-07T09:08:09.117-05:00@Oh Crap...It matters to me apparently..I find it ...@Oh Crap...It matters to me apparently..I find it interesting your post said nothing of my same comment about TNC...I guess it also matters to you..Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-6933844661019182602011-08-07T02:08:04.608-05:002011-08-07T02:08:04.608-05:00@CD
@Daniel. Is the South an idea or a geographi...@CD<br /><br /><br /><i>@Daniel. Is the South an idea or a geographic space or both?</i><br /><br />After today's Rick Perry Overgrown Prayer Meeting, I'm calling them Christian-shariah confederates. <br /><br />There's a pretty big difference, though, and this is post-New South, and also post-Civil Rights...now it's got out-of-the-kitchen white women, Blacks, Asians, Latinos and white gays (if you want to count GOProud types), all banging the Muslim-baiting drum, and advocating a return to states rights economics and social norms. <br /><br /><br /><br />@Thrasher<br /><br /><i>Oh yeah I know TNC is Black and Daniel is a white and jewish...</i><br /><br />e_e This old canard...what does it matter what Daniel's religion/ethnicity is.Oh Craphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08569760594341619659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-10685129518343426592011-08-06T13:48:49.318-05:002011-08-06T13:48:49.318-05:00Addendum...For the record nothing in my posts sugg...Addendum...For the record nothing in my posts suggested your comments justified racism.Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-28997462854092382382011-08-06T13:13:21.242-05:002011-08-06T13:13:21.242-05:00@Daniel
Now your talking point has clarity yet fr...@Daniel<br /><br />Now your talking point has clarity yet from my vantage point as a Black man it is still lacking ...I don't like giving any quarter to racism and if I have to invoke crude caricatures and tropes given the inhumanity and depravity of racism towards my tribe in America I don't have a problem doing that..Plane Ideas https://www.blogger.com/profile/13838821721942426785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-90158305988517155902011-08-06T12:24:04.303-05:002011-08-06T12:24:04.303-05:00@Thrasher:
For the record, I'm not sure how y...@Thrasher:<br /><br />For the record, I'm not sure how you could read my comments and interpret them as a justification for ignoring the obvious racism of whiteness in general or the Tea Party in particular.<br /><br />My point was rather that we should seek out and hold up such racism, and spare nothing in attacking it, without relying on crude and inaccurate caricatures of "The South" as the Manichean villain, a trope that itself has an old history.<br /><br />If you think I'm wrong about this, that's cool, but I'd like to hear a bit more about why you think so.<br /><br />@CDV: No, I think one does not have to be "The South" for the "Old South/Lost Cause" mentality to show. But that's just the point; such a specific mentality is a key subculture, a dynamic within the U.S. that isn't even, as you point out nicely, confined to the geographic space of the Southern U.S. I could see my way to such a point, which is subtle and would have to be explained carefully. But that's not what I see in the Salon piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com