tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post2317710677932078854..comments2024-03-17T20:04:18.872-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Yes, Elliot Rodger is 'White': What the Santa Barbara Shooter Can Teach Us About Race and MasculinityLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-40437398670399417472015-03-27T11:28:14.881-05:002015-03-27T11:28:14.881-05:00He was half Jewish and half Malay, that makes him ...He was half Jewish and half Malay, that makes him 0% white And no, Rodger was not going out of his way to target your colored brothers.hansolo36noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-43290365459971993922015-01-20T12:55:50.439-06:002015-01-20T12:55:50.439-06:00Thing is, Elliot's dad is of Arab ancestry. An...Thing is, Elliot's dad is of Arab ancestry. And Arabs are NOT White. <br />.<br />There is more than just Asian, Black, & White. There is Middle Eastern(Arabic), Native American, & Polynesian. Those last ones tend to be what some would classify as "Red".<br />.<br />So your claim of him being a White male is wrong.Sangelianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63960714339575341902014-10-03T14:15:12.157-05:002014-10-03T14:15:12.157-05:00Holy shit you are nasty
wtf is a white asian go su...Holy shit you are nasty<br />wtf is a white asian go suck cockloolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-54773495219145300352014-10-03T14:13:56.043-05:002014-10-03T14:13:56.043-05:00Yeah, South Asians are totally treated as white wh...Yeah, South Asians are totally treated as white while we still face racism from white people every day.<br />Dumbass.You're gross.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16756715215804247772014-08-13T22:56:16.931-05:002014-08-13T22:56:16.931-05:00some dude in central Germany said the same things ...some dude in central Germany said the same things about Jews in the 1920's. I wonder fi anyone listened to him.Michael Ejercitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91946147443790814892014-08-13T22:53:33.930-05:002014-08-13T22:53:33.930-05:00Confused because whilst they are part asian, they ...Confused because whilst they are part asian, they see the unequal <br />dynamic between their parents - usually mum and dad are equal, but the <br />sort of non asian men who go for asian women tend to have other flaws <br />that prevent them from being able to keep a relationship with their own <br />races' women<br />And what if the father is Asian and the mother in not?Michael Ejercitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-72835898797539894462014-08-13T22:52:51.040-05:002014-08-13T22:52:51.040-05:00Race, gender, class, and sexuality are the dominan...Race, gender, class, and sexuality are the dominant<br />socio-organizational categories in American and Western society.<br />This is not limited to America, but is common throughout all human societies.<br /><br />Yes, America has racism- and that is because Americans is composed of <i>humans</i>. all human socieities are naturally racist. The only difference is which race happens to be privileged. <br /><br />What does distinguish America is that it has constitutional restraints severely limiting the use of racism in government.Michael Ejercitonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-70075205847975153562014-06-17T15:07:19.747-05:002014-06-17T15:07:19.747-05:00Elliott Rodger was not white - he was Asian. North...Elliott Rodger was not white - he was Asian. Northern european genes are recessive to Southern genes, so in interracial marriage between a northern European and a person who's asian, black, hispanic, indian, or middle eastern, the children are only 15-25% white/Northern european.juliannathomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81871373354797936422014-06-10T11:08:27.280-05:002014-06-10T11:08:27.280-05:00wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... South Asians...wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... South Asians are white?? In what country?? perhaps i'm sheltered but I have never heard anyone that I know refer to any Asian person as white...<br /><br />and the thing about Irish "non whites" just doesn't make any sense to me, perhaps it's only because I personally use words like "black" or "white" as a descriptor of a person's physical appearance, not in identifying their cultural history based on their skin, i think the author is kind of putting words into the mouths of strangers that have not said anything like this, that's what's so tricky about the internet, you can write an essay claiming ANYTHING and it can be taken as gospel truth until someone comes around to question it's validity, i come from an Irish American Athiest low income home, we worked hard for everything we had, my grand-parents were immigrants and were raised to treat everyone as they come, and never to judge someone no matter how well you think you know them. unfortunately because of my skin color, most think they know a great deal about me and my family history and how "easy" my life supposedly is, and whether they are actually correct or not doesn't seem to make much difference, as long as it furthers their argument, i'm not saying racism isn't as prevalent as it was decades ago, but it will always be until people stop using the outdated "US vs THEM" mentality and realize we are just a cloud of atoms banging up against each other in a big cosmic soup, perhaps i'm wrong and always willing to admit when i am, but i personally don't think rationality like this is getting people any further to some ideological goal of brotherhood...Mule Facenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16105657039078434332014-06-09T04:43:43.998-05:002014-06-09T04:43:43.998-05:00That means Mr. Obama is also a white man. God, the...That means Mr. Obama is also a white man. God, the American media. Just wow.Simba711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-42663005991103358452014-06-08T21:28:20.725-05:002014-06-08T21:28:20.725-05:00oh and he killed 3 people with a knife, not all we...oh and he killed 3 people with a knife, not all were killed by a gun but in reality nobody actually died, the whole thing is fake.smuggarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91966572363800654342014-06-08T21:27:42.360-05:002014-06-08T21:27:42.360-05:00whoever wrote this is obviously the racist…Elliott...whoever wrote this is obviously the racist…Elliott Rodger isn't white you moron.smuggarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-2167238401382450902014-06-08T05:05:18.817-05:002014-06-08T05:05:18.817-05:00See, I agree with your analysis about why Elliot R...See, I agree with your analysis about why Elliot Rodgers is the way he is. But, with all due respect, he was definitely not white. No white person even glancing at Rodgers would have considered him white.<br /><br /><br />A Eurasian man with Rodgers' phenotype would not be considered white in any European or European majority country.<br /><br /><br />White people decide what the boundaries of whiteness are, you don't. I know how unfair that is, and I'm trying in my own small way to change it.Antonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71136749620387487682014-06-03T23:02:41.142-05:002014-06-03T23:02:41.142-05:00yes that's right. you're british aren'...yes that's right. you're british aren't you? we're the only ones we call east asians orientals, in the rest of the world it's actually a racist term!icarustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21181073487528762352014-06-03T23:01:00.861-05:002014-06-03T23:01:00.861-05:00Uh, he identified with his whiteness more, did you...Uh, he identified with his whiteness more, did you not read his rants? He insulted asians and was disgusted with his "asianness", he wanted people to see him as white - but couldn't.icarustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-89250707477214689642014-06-03T22:57:07.422-05:002014-06-03T22:57:07.422-05:00read his manifesto. It was about race, he kept rai...read his manifesto. It was about race, he kept raising the topic. About blacks being slaves, latino pigs and ugly asians, and his fury when such "unworthy" were seen sleeping with or even talking to a white girl.<br /><br />for you (and many others) to discount this, and instead concentrate on his privileged upbringing is purposely missing the point.icarustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21018783193400142982014-06-03T22:49:43.287-05:002014-06-03T22:49:43.287-05:00Many "hapas" (kids of white and asian pa...Many "hapas" (kids of white and asian parents - usually white male, asian female) develop an inferiority complex and confused identity. Confused because whilst they are part asian, they see the unequal dynamic between their parents - usually mum and dad are equal, but the sort of non asian men who go for asian women tend to have other flaws that prevent them from being able to keep a relationship with their own races' women. As a result, they exploit the "asian women are easy" stereotype. However, this does not bode well for any male offspring, because if the guy wasn't able to be with a woman without resorting to the above tactics, what hope for his son?<br /><br />Furthermore, the child (boy or girl) develops the same inferiority complex as their mother, who usually seeks a white man regardless of their social worth, but because they see being white as status in itself. As a result, the children with such parents tend to resent their asian part far more, even pushing to hide it, like Eliot did, and showing as much racism towards asians as many full blooded non asians would. <br /><br />"Moreover,<br />Rodger’s Asian ancestry would be of no concern if he did not commit mass<br />murder"<br /><br />- not quite. It is of concern and should be to ALL mixed race parents in the world. Not so much the asian part, rather than dynamic between the races coming into the relationships i.e. if the white guy thinks he is more than capable of getting an asian woman, whereas the asian women thinks it a privilege to get a white man. That is a road to some self hating kids. The parents' job, especially for mixed kids, is to raise them up to be equally proud of BOTH races and/or cultures. Quite difficult when you are both, and especially when society from both races may shun you for what you are, and take preference in one "side" (i.e. white jocks vs skinny asian)<br /><br />His parents let him down big time.icarustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55465645479624996682014-06-03T09:13:03.748-05:002014-06-03T09:13:03.748-05:00Yep. He is a white male supremacist stuck inside a...Yep. He is a white male supremacist stuck inside an Eurasian body. Maybe he wasn't at first. But after being repeatedly bullied in UK then US as a racial outsider, he internalized his bullies' viewpoint. Like, being held hostage by an internalized Hitler. It happens sometimes. <br /><br />But as a "misogynist" he is not complicated. Men beating up or killing the women they desired because they feel rejected, or angry, or horny, that happens too - A LOT. So in that sense, Elliot's entitlement complex is typical male villain. These days sociopaths know how to hide behind words and haircut. <br /><br />Elliot the psychopath is not unique. He is driven by low self-acceptance, a fetish for unavailable shiny white females, and a raging, wounded, and unappreciated half of his racial identity. <br /><br />The glaring bit is, he is not ineligible. Yet he displayed simultaneous haughty superiority AND self-denial. <br /><br />Why would anyone accept you, if you can't even acknowledge one half of yourself, nevermind celebrate that half?<br /><br />Personally I think being born a half-white half-Asian/black/whatnot is not easy. The less mixed ones among us, we only have to deal with balancing the psychological weighting of mom or dad, female or male. The Eurasians or "Yellows" have another thing to balance. Not easy if you live in a culture where 50% of your race is god-like, while the other 50% is so vehemently ignored, they may as well... as Elliot suggested - not exist. Blacks receive a lot more white guilt and concession than Asians, in US or the whole world, that's for sure. <br /><br />His friend said he got extra bullying because he was a smart kid.<br /><br />He wasn't just a scapegoat because he is "uncool" and "small", he was a hunted witch too, because he is an outsider race, with brain. He was discounted, for being a threat too. <br /><br />Not easy being 100% or 50% East Asian and male in America, obviously. Being smart invite bullying from the brawny bullies. BMW won't buy you self-respect or average blonde chicks or any hot chicks, when you can't even accept half of who you are.<br /><br />Elliot obviously hated half of himself so much, he killed 3 of them. Or, 3 and a half of them.Phoenix Zennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73889014784036099762014-05-30T19:21:19.430-05:002014-05-30T19:21:19.430-05:00In forensic anthropology, when an individual has e...In forensic anthropology, when an individual has even a smidgeon of minority ancestry, they are identified by that minority ancestry. This young man would have labeled as ASIAN by a forensic anthropologist in medicolegal terminology. It's science.anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27609083379568710942014-05-30T16:42:41.499-05:002014-05-30T16:42:41.499-05:00"Any brave soul who dares to talk about white..."Any brave soul who dares to talk about white masculinity, white privilege, and gun violence will be hounded by the Right-wing's dogs--a media machine that cares nothing for the truth. Many otherwise decent, smart, and fair-minded white folks may also recoil at the thought that Whiteness and White Masculinity can be dysfunctional and violent. When an entire social structure has been erected to reinforce the lie that white folks are "normal", and those "Others" are "deviant" or "defective", it can be very difficult to break out of that haze of denial. Such an act requires a commitment to truth-telling and personal, critical, self-reflection which Whiteness, by definition, denies to most of its owners. White privilege and Whiteness hurts white people. Aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome is killing white folks' children, wives, daughters, sons, fathers, and mothers. Yet, White America stands mute. Again, what shall we do with the white people...especially if they are so unwilling to help themselves?” —Chauncey DeVega <br /><br />Judging from the fence riding race apologist whites on this comment thread saying silliness such as, he is"Half-Asian" (GTFOH) -- I'm directing that towards you! AJD -- yous are gonna need loads more Eliot Rodgers before the white plebs finally wake up in the USA. Smh. <br /><br />Nonetheless, we salute you for your service as a loyal soldier, Eliot Rodgers, in the battle against White Supramacy/Racism and Capitalism by any means necessary. Let's hope the next sane and rational white chap like takes a couple more tossers with him; only a sane and rational white person knows the truth of white supremacy and will go the distance to expose it.<br /><br />Vaya con dios mi compañero...<br /><br />"If you do not understand white supremacy (racism)— what it is and how it works — everything else you know will only confuse you." —Neely Fuller, Jr.Maurice Bishopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-80644227523088852162014-05-30T14:45:05.905-05:002014-05-30T14:45:05.905-05:00RE: "There's something very wrong with a ...RE: "There's something very wrong with a system that produces so many sociopaths."<br /><br />Google 'Behavioral Sink'.Michael Varian Dalynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-36752659148286276792014-05-30T13:14:04.836-05:002014-05-30T13:14:04.836-05:00Bet if he was "half black" he'd be l...Bet if he was "half black" he'd be labeled a victim and Obama would be saying, "if I had a son..."..and Sharpton and Jackson would be rallying the sheep for sit ins and marathons protesting those evil white blonde college girls that cause all the problems.Sonya Bladenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37026669813331525302014-05-30T12:28:46.106-05:002014-05-30T12:28:46.106-05:00This guy is as white as Obama.This guy is as white as Obama.n_slash_anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-71942350848345979972014-05-30T12:25:26.889-05:002014-05-30T12:25:26.889-05:00The model minority myth is just that a myth used a...The model minority myth is just that a myth used as leverage to denigrate black people. Frank Wu has done some good work on this. Plus, what about all of the other "Asians"--a huge group that comprises many different ethnicities--who do not fit the model and have high rates of poverty, incarceration, drug use, etc.?chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27319696407637282862014-05-30T11:37:33.492-05:002014-05-30T11:37:33.492-05:00This analysis is well-written but sad and leads to...This analysis is well-written but sad and leads to a predetermined outcome. Rodgers was a sick person. Anything he wrote or said was skewed because of it. Too bad you cling to inherent, "neatly triangulated" racism as the reason people hold onto stereotypes. Most whites today weren't brought up in a culture of slavery or Jim Crow (rather, this is a culture of forced diversity and affirmative action) and, while not always fair, they form their opinions of groups based on their general behavior. The Asian stereotype is one of hard work and academic success - because, in our culture, that's what you predominantly experience. Not every Asian is an academic rock star but most are that we know. The same could be said for people of Indian backgrounds - not all but most. Any negative stereotype of Blacks (to a sane person) would come from the general perception of behavior and reaction to things (affording the notion that not all Blacks are the same either). If White people were truly racist, in an evil way, Asians and Indians (all non-whites, for that matter) would share the negative stereotype - why don't they?Adam Samuelsnoreply@blogger.com