tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post1977095977186295362..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Smearing Trayvon Martin: The True Lie that Black Men Commit More Crime than WhitesLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-14680181388760965142014-10-12T22:20:15.451-05:002014-10-12T22:20:15.451-05:00Thanks to the BIASED criminal justice system....we...Thanks to the BIASED criminal justice system....we don't have to look back, Jim crow still exists even in this present day. Blacks get targeted more therefore your LOVELY statistics will of course be higher for Blacks....while "white collar" crimes,,,,,are under represented and totally swept under the rug. Everything a Black man does is exaggerated. Why should I believe a White Man's Statistics? Who has a history of lying and deceit against Blacks? Who has turned the prison industrial complex into a business by using the "War on Drugs" as a War on Us....What part of Racial profiling do not get? The Racial has been going on for years,,,,not something that just happened overnight....That's why the statistics are higher for Black youth. If whites were treated the same the numbers would go up drastically.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50574810109888524202012-04-09T10:53:19.227-05:002012-04-09T10:53:19.227-05:00Anonymous
“First Zimmerman chose to exercise his ...Anonymous<br /><br />“First Zimmerman chose to exercise his second amendment rights and carry a gun while he was on his neighborhood watch.”<br /><br />Zimmerman had a restraining order against him so if I’m not mistaken, it may have not been within his rights to carry a gun.<br /><br /> <br />“Second, treyvon chose to assault zimmerman. This is confirmed by an eye witness. Treyvon was ontop of Zimmerman , attacking him , when he was shot.”<br /><br />LOL! One eye witness account who only saw the altercation as it already unfolded, not what lead to the altercation. Did it occur to you that Zimmerman could have attacked Trayvon and Trayvon defended himself? Also it was Trayvon pleading for help, not Zimmerman. Let’s see what the autopsy report will reveal about Trayvon (bruising/ angle of gun shot wound, etc.)<br /><br /> “And lastly, Zimmerman was in his LEGAL RIGHT to defend himself.”<br /><br />And if Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, Trayvon was in his LEGAL RIGHT to defend himself. In which case, it should be Zimmerman dead, not Trayvon.<br /><br />Last, blacks don't commit more crime than whites, the state/ elite establisment commits much more crimes- wars,genocide, etc... and we know who largely runs the state.Debbienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77387221686671340522012-04-07T19:15:21.727-05:002012-04-07T19:15:21.727-05:00Facts are facts. Only the dim witted and those wit...Facts are facts. Only the dim witted and those with agendas to push will tell you that they don't matter. Since they've been keeping records , blacks have committed more crime than whites. We can count arrests , not convictions, and still come up with a higher number. This is fact. Now the social mechanism that causes this can be debated. Poorly run schools, not enough funding, etc.. You pick. <br /> This is not however the justification for the killing of treyvon martin.Let's not forget the facts of the case. First Zimmerman chose to exercise his second amendment rights and carry a gun while he was on his neighborhood watch. And I know how the liberal left hates the second amendment. Second, treyvon chose to assault zimmerman. This is confirmed by an eye witness. Treyvon was ontop of Zimmerman , attacking him , when he was shot. And lastly, Zimmerman was in his LEGAL RIGHT to defend himself. If he had not, he may have just ended up as another victim of crime. This isn't a race issue, this is a political issue. Big Nanny state government vs. take care of yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41596189551777863242012-04-04T09:04:42.659-05:002012-04-04T09:04:42.659-05:00Unfortunetly this is a case of two dumb ass's ...Unfortunetly this is a case of two dumb ass's both acting stupidly.simple as that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49754076440662695712012-04-03T09:24:32.769-05:002012-04-03T09:24:32.769-05:00Wow, you're another person who's dumb as f...Wow, you're another person who's dumb as fuck and can't read. The point is that black people get arrested far more and go to jail longer for the same offenses. And Trayvon didn't commit any crime, nor was he "acting suspicious", you moron.MrPapayahttp://twitter.com/mrpapayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9662898395478455912012-04-03T09:18:33.394-05:002012-04-03T09:18:33.394-05:00Wow, you're stupid as fuck. Did you even read ...Wow, you're stupid as fuck. Did you even read the article? It's blatantly obvious that police, conservatives, and others see people's colors.MrPapayahttp://twitter.com/mrpapayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63776468029621834562012-03-31T03:04:20.738-05:002012-03-31T03:04:20.738-05:00The theme of the fiendish, violent, black male has...The theme of the fiendish, violent, black male has been around since Reconstruction. Black men have had no reprieve from this assault on their humanity. It has only grown more profound and terrifying. The 6 o'clock evening news, the 24 hour cable networks, right-wing radio , cop shows, prison shows, videos and movies, have propagated the brutish out of control black man- as Public Enemy#1. For black men, it's a nightmare. It has caused them to be sequestered, repressed and oppressed throughout their entire lives.<br /><br />A great deal of money is being made from the scary black man trope. Let's not forget that. The image creates a lot of revenue for television, movies and music. It is also a useful, but despicable tactic of politics. The Republican Party has been using it since the 1960's.<br /><br />Ten years ago, Michael Moore, in his 2002 movie "Bowling For Columbine", did an excellent job in exposing America's scandalizing representation of black men. Obviously nothing has changed. But he really nailed it.<br /><br />Here is the clip:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFzkV9D9Dt0Ms. Bunny Easterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219393797031576690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67957481058382025922012-03-30T16:42:33.207-05:002012-03-30T16:42:33.207-05:00AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAnomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-7049974282256083022012-03-30T15:17:19.612-05:002012-03-30T15:17:19.612-05:00"No, don't reply and as me what crime Tre..."No, don't reply and as me what crime Trevor Martin committed, because nothing I say could ever convince you"<br /><br />Then why bother? Go to a site where erbody thinks like you. There are plenty. <br /><br />'It doesn't matter what your skin color is, it's still a crime. A white man would be prosecuted just the same.'<br /><br /><br />HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHnomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-62461535437267985572012-03-30T14:31:03.478-05:002012-03-30T14:31:03.478-05:00And his gun was not illegal, nor was the fact that...And his gun was not illegal, nor was the fact that it was concealed. If a black man with a firearm in a place where such is illegal, is illegally carrying (w/o a permit) said illegal firearm, an has an accidental discharge with this firearm he has committed a crime. It doesn't matter what your skin color is, it's still a crime. A white man would be prosecuted just the same. Zimmerman was not breaking the law having the gun, it remains to be seen if the shooting was justifiable or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-77774337304358510262012-03-30T14:24:12.326-05:002012-03-30T14:24:12.326-05:00So, the problem isn't that black kids are comi...So, the problem isn't that black kids are comitting crimes, it's that we aren't letting them get away with it? We should just let all those hoodie-wearin' thugs do as they please in the interest of fairness? No, don't reply and as me what crime Trevor Martin committed, because nothing I say could ever convince you he was anything other than a ten year old kid with skittles, even if he was a 17 year old young adult who decided to teach a middle aged Hispanic man a lesson for racially profiling him and following him as he cut between buildings and townhomes while wearing a hoodie and acting suspicious in a neighborhood known for recent break-ins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-9928892745675027792012-03-30T13:20:53.129-05:002012-03-30T13:20:53.129-05:00@Chancey: I'm willing to bet there are MORE wh...@Chancey: I'm willing to bet there are MORE white pant saggers than there are black men in total. We all know the type who try and fail at their attempts at "urban dialect."<br /><br />I lock my car doors when I see these clowns. <br /><br />BTW I read somewhere that genome tests of black Americans showed that you posses 28% white lineage! <br /><br />Welcome to the family!Dan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07724278096228063876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55261891986299022602012-03-30T12:05:47.801-05:002012-03-30T12:05:47.801-05:00@Cnu. You forget who I am. I can't stand ign&#...@Cnu. You forget who I am. I can't stand ign'ts. I don't care what color they are. My problem is that black ign'ts get punished more severely than white ones. And yes, I do live right in the midst of the pants sagging crowd and do have contact with them. You conflate me with some bohemian successful upwardly mobile academic type living in the suburbs of New Hampshire. Ain't me. I ain't that successful.<br /><br />@Nomad. Cosign. Guilty by geographic proximity.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-14889991593044911462012-03-30T11:15:46.878-05:002012-03-30T11:15:46.878-05:00@CNu
Yeah, but check out the institutional racist ...@CNu<br />Yeah, but check out the institutional racist double standard. Zim kills while illegally possessing firearm. Goes free. Black man, non-fatal incident with illegal gun, goes to jail. In my experience, just living in the same neighborhood as pants falling down element, gets you harassed by police (if skin be black).nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20442597404286299342012-03-30T09:45:07.420-05:002012-03-30T09:45:07.420-05:00CDV ain't live nowhere near to any "pants...CDV ain't live nowhere near to any "pants falling down" element, wouldn't have his hypothetical children enrolled in school with "pants falling down" element, has no personal day-to-day contact with "pants falling down" element <br /><br />yet,<br /><br />is perfectly at ease pretending that he is fully and completely racially and culturally identified with these useless, dangerous, oxygen-thieving ninis on the basis of a little melanin.<br /><br />By the current level of hysteria making the rounds, <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8597195" rel="nofollow">this elderly gentleman in CDV's own backyard</a> must be classified a violent, racist perpetrator for busting a cap some miscreant "pants falling down" element.CNuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14152640304402402884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51849546901820467482012-03-30T09:38:19.872-05:002012-03-30T09:38:19.872-05:00The stats don't includes whites who get away w...The stats don't includes whites who get away with crimes a black would be prosecuted for. Like Zim, with a anti-black (New Jim Crow) crim justice system and friends in high places.<br /><br />http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/29/zimmermannofzinger-fix-now-a-fact/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=zimmermannofzinger-fix-now-a-factnomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-49484651389208415442012-03-30T05:42:56.535-05:002012-03-30T05:42:56.535-05:00Dan Boyd understands the stats, what he doesn'...Dan Boyd understands the stats, what he doesn't understand is the profiling. He doesn't understand why his community doesn't have a pawnshop or package stores. Why the schools in the urban area are "F" schools. Rick Ross and Mr. North's government drugs program. All of these birth crime and are there to produce chaos. Again I gotta say a guy who use's hitler for his profile pic on a black site fully understands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-50988718647662515942012-03-30T02:41:15.356-05:002012-03-30T02:41:15.356-05:00@Dan. You are still missing the point. Sad. Reread...@Dan. You are still missing the point. Sad. Reread again please.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85909800076219634422012-03-30T01:17:19.762-05:002012-03-30T01:17:19.762-05:00@CDV Great post, packed with context, insight, and...@CDV Great post, packed with context, insight, and a keen eye on the current wave of the bs tsunami. I appreciate the time and energy you have invested in this teachable moment. Hopefully some of the gemstones learned in this endeaver help illuminate the path toward a more cooperational humanism.Weird Beardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-51670453912382886202012-03-29T23:44:56.631-05:002012-03-29T23:44:56.631-05:002009 FBI CRIME STATS FOR HOMICIDE OFFEDERS
BLACK M...2009 FBI CRIME STATS FOR HOMICIDE OFFEDERS<br />BLACK MURDERERS = 5,890<br />WHITE MURDERERS = 5,286<br /><br />Blacks make up 13% of the total population yet still managed to kill more people than the whites!<br /><br />There is just is no way spin statistics for murder. <br /><br />So my question is this, if black ghettos are so aggressively policed, why has this not resulted in less violence?<br /><br /><br />Source:<br />http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.htmlDan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07724278096228063876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-85894922865165421042012-03-29T20:52:14.983-05:002012-03-29T20:52:14.983-05:00"The issue with the current case is who got p..."The issue with the current case is who got physical first and how it escalated."<br /><br />Ken S. <br /><br />That is part of the misinformation campaign, that is not the issue with this current case. The issue with this current case is Trayvon, no matter how you want to define his past character, was not doing any of the acts used to malign him while he was walking from the store that night. He was not smoking weed, he was not selling drugs, he was not assaulting anyone. He should have been free to go about his way until he showed intent of criminality. The issue here is that he looked suspicious because he was black (or I'll allow, any other color) and walking down the street, this we do know based on Zimmerman's 911 call. If that is a legitimate basis for ordinary citizens to chase someone and question them, then there are going to be black men getting shot to an even grester degrees than they do now. The Constitution doesn't just apply to other than black. No matter what happened when George finally caught up to him, even if Trayvon struck out at someone who was chasing him first, (which would have given him the right tonstand his ground), it would not have happened if this kid was allowed to walk down the street unimpeded. George set out after him knowing he had the upper hand because he was armed and appears to have felt invisible, assured in the knowledge that whatever went down he would be able to use his gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52688317681240789612012-03-29T20:19:49.915-05:002012-03-29T20:19:49.915-05:00Great article. Cleared up my feeble attempts at tr...Great article. Cleared up my feeble attempts at trying to show that we are no more criminal than any others, better than i ever could. Sta be damned! I aprreciate this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-58351687686281883202012-03-29T18:52:05.491-05:002012-03-29T18:52:05.491-05:00@Ken. Good sport. You wrote, "Anecdote: Henry...@Ken. Good sport. You wrote, "Anecdote: Henry Louis Gates Jr. was treated rather harshly by a police officer. But he isn't in jail. I have a hard time imagining any amount of police harassment (within boundaries of current law) would have gotten him in there. As an aside, he also has a TV show to debut on PBS tonight, and I think it will be worth checking out."<br /><br />The point being if Gates were white, he a Harvard Prof would not have been harassed and unfairly arrested for contempt of cop. You get that right? I hope you see the obvious source of the upset in that case.<br /><br />Back to ghost chasing, I think I see some green slime on you a la Ghostbusters ;)chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65653587257754203342012-03-29T18:22:40.608-05:002012-03-29T18:22:40.608-05:00Hi Chauncey,
I still pretty much agree with you a...Hi Chauncey,<br /><br />I still pretty much agree with you about your assessment of some on the Right. If its not accurate, they aren't doing a great job at proving otherwise. Anyways, here's a possibly glib take for your consideration:<br /><br />"Consequently, supporting George Zimmerman necessarily requires the shaming and smearing of Trayvon Martin."<br /><br />Certain character evidence could be admissible in court. Much potential evidence out there is irrelevant by judicial standards, but I don't think all of it is. The court of public opinion probably does have laxer standards, but this does not necessarily make them incorrect for reaching any conclusions.<br /><br />"Generalized statistics about crime tell you very little about a given person’s likelihood of committing a criminal act."<br /><br />Putting the issue of the bias in prosecution aside for a second, generalized statistics that are accurate will let you do this in some situations, it is a weak form of character evidence. The issue with the current case is who got physical first and how it escalated. No one credible actually saw this, all we have are generalities and attempts to place the parties within them based on their personal histories. That there is a case that race was potentially a factor in the lack of charges has nothing to do with the trial itself.<br /><br />"Broad statistics also tell us little about a given population’s capacity or propensity to commit crime. For example, while black men are disproportionately incarcerated, the majority are in jail for drug offenses. "<br /><br />Well, going back to homicide rates as mentioned in the previous thread:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate<br /><br />Sort the 2010 rates in ascending or descending order, and then look for patterns. I do know that this tells us little about an underlying mechanism. We always have to have humility when thinking that we might have found an actual explanation for our data, too. The idea that our justice system is biased in the case of homicide by a factor of six is made at least moderately implausible when you consider more homogeneous countries (does anyone think those Europeans are just letting a bunch of people get away with murder, does southern Africa just like tossing people in jail for crimes they didn't commit?) This is just Occam's Razor though, far from an explanation for what is actually going on.<br /><br />"When a researcher accounts for these variables, the story becomes one of class and not race."<br /><br />Doesn't this statement taken literally sort of defeat the point of some of the content on this blog? Obviously race and class interact somehow, that's what many are basically arguing about.<br /><br />"As demonstrated by Jody Armour in her book Negrophobia, less than 2 percent of black men are incarcerated for violent crimes."<br /><br />What percent of overzealous neighborhood watch patrollers are incarcerated/arrested for violent crimes? One accused of domestic violence and who got testy with the cops before? (Of course I don't know the answer... who in the world would, maybe it is higher than some people are thinking, OTOH does this personal history outweigh Martin's?).<br /><br />"Anecdotes matter. Police often give a pass to those who they know or trust. The white kid with weed just made a mistake; the black or Latino is a hardcore thug to be jailed. "<br /><br />Anecdote: Henry Louis Gates Jr. was treated rather harshly by a police officer. But he isn't in jail. I have a hard time imagining any amount of police harassment (within boundaries of current law) would have gotten him in there. As an aside, he also has a TV show to debut on PBS tonight, and I think it will be worth checking out.<br /><br />"This logic hangs in the ether, hiding in plain sight, and has gone little discussed in the public conversation about the Trayvon Martin shooting."<br /><br />The truth may be out there Scully. Hiding in plain sight. Meanwhile the ectoplasmic detectors of white privilege get more and more sophisticated...Ken Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-73526592138496869882012-03-29T15:26:42.647-05:002012-03-29T15:26:42.647-05:00"...The lazy recitation of statistics is a du..."...The lazy recitation of statistics is a dumb person's idea of how a smart person sounds."<br /><br />I love this quote. I'm going to memorize it.Brotha Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757828851843699053noreply@blogger.com