tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post1964937215975044854..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: Stand Your Ground Post-Jordan Davis Michael Dunn Colorblind Racist Talking Points: Are 'Big White Men' 'Stereotyped' in the Same Way as 'African-Americans'?Lady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45908324160827855422014-02-20T23:23:47.964-06:002014-02-20T23:23:47.964-06:00Ah, you are describing bureaucracy, which becomes ...Ah, you are describing bureaucracy, which becomes self-perpetuating and territorial, according to the desires of those who work their. Or are placed in charge to warp it.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-25717835974010254742014-02-20T22:56:23.023-06:002014-02-20T22:56:23.023-06:00That's a good point. But there comes a time wh...That's a good point. But there comes a time when everyone is "just doing their job" and no one is doing anything malicious or evil. And yet the system as a whole is evil.<br /><br />Your same arguments can be applied to corporations. Corporations, like governments, are man-made constructs that are neither good nor bad. Yet, corporations gladly pay their fines while no board members are held accountable for the corporation's crimes.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-56073791652130463292014-02-20T22:13:18.399-06:002014-02-20T22:13:18.399-06:00The State can do nothing. The State is run and sta...The State can do nothing. The State is run and staffed by people who act as Agents of The State. The State is neither good nor bad. The Agents are either. The State is also influenced from outside by non-State actors or agents of other power blocs. Wall Street, for example, through money.<br /><br />It is erroneous to lay blame upon The State and more accurate to lay blame upon those who act as Agents of The State.<br /><br />Blaming The State also relieves or shifts responsibility away from people or agents whose actions create injustice. The term is 'accountability'.<br /><br />For accountability to exist, you must be able to punish a real entity, such as a person, as a legal fiction can not be held accountable. How do you hold an abstract idea accountable? By replacing it? Abstract ideas do not feel and would not know it is being punished. Any punishment of an abstract idea is futile and wishful thinking.<br /><br />And even if you do destroy the idea as 'punishment', the people who abused their status as agents could and do go unpunished, free to create mischief in whatever system replaces the previous.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-27229936832881995982014-02-20T16:54:08.345-06:002014-02-20T16:54:08.345-06:00The state deliberately pits one group against the ...The state deliberately pits one group against the other in order to acquire more and more power. And the disenfranchised group becomes a cheap labor source for the ruling class. Dare I say that capitalism (money) is the root of all evil?kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-26018726080045401732014-02-20T12:37:53.942-06:002014-02-20T12:37:53.942-06:00yes, look at the seed before planting it.
if you w...yes, look at the seed before planting it.<br />if you want to grow tomatoes or wheat and reap them, make sure you plant the right seed.<br />if you want to rule people [be a master of them] plant the right seed-- in this case, the discrimination.<br />however, before you can plant that seed, you first MUST manufacture and then forever wage ignorance, poverty, fears, etc .<br />so, i should have said that the discrimination is a mere effect of ignorance/fears.<br />and i have often said that but not in my present posts on alternet. it skipped my mind!bozhidar balkasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-83898479313349833992014-02-20T11:26:11.523-06:002014-02-20T11:26:11.523-06:00agree with you. Without individual discrimination ...agree with you. Without individual discrimination there would be no cultural racism. Without cultural racism there would be no institutional racism. They all feed and reinforce each other. The only thing we can control with certainty is ourselves:<br />http://youtu.be/EJBfYNpV1m4kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17904913435143169062014-02-19T23:10:35.269-06:002014-02-19T23:10:35.269-06:00Hey Bozhidar,
This will help you here:
In sociol...Hey Bozhidar,<br /><br /><br />This will help you here:<br />In sociology and psychology, a common view distinguishes prejudice from racism, holding that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power' because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon.<br />..<br />Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities". Sociologists Noël A. Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as "...a highly organized system of 'race'-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/'race' supremacy. Sellers and Shelton (2003) found that a relationship between racial discrimination and emotional distress was moderated by racial ideology and public regard beliefs. That is, racial centrality appears to promote the degree of discrimination African American young adults perceive whereas racial ideology may buffer the detrimental emotional effects of that discrimination. Racist systems include, but cannot be reduced to, racial bigotry,".<br /><br />Some sociologists have also argued, with reference to the USA and elsewhere, that forms of racism have in many instances mutated from more blatant expressions hereof into more covert kinds (albeit that blatant forms of hatred and discrimination still endure). The "newer" (more hidden and less easily detectable) forms of racism—which can be considered as embedded in social processes and structures—are more difficult to explore as well as challenge. It has been suggested that, while in many countries overt and explicit racism has become increasingly taboo, even in those who display egalitarian explicit attitudes, an implicit or aversive racism is still maintained subconsciously. --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racismkokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-55304569828150463952014-02-19T12:16:57.553-06:002014-02-19T12:16:57.553-06:00I am in a mood... so please forgive me... I love t...I am in a mood... so please forgive me... I love the black female to. Just not interested in that way, of the black male.<br /><br /><br />As far as equal rights and treating people with respect and dignity... I'm all in. Unless you are rude, ignorant, or.. etc... then it doesn't matter what your skin color is.Veri1138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-41594715305950973272014-02-19T09:00:20.476-06:002014-02-19T09:00:20.476-06:00can we deem discrimination as the root cause for a...can we deem discrimination as the root cause for all ills that happen to us on personal, gender, ethnic, religious, racial levels?<br />i do start thinking from it. i consider it also mother of all racisms, ethnophobias, homophobias, inequality on political level...<br />alas, discrimination is institutionalized and legalized also in US.<br />all elites or uncles toms, sams, pedros, ivans, giovannis, pierres, alis, joshuas also lok down on ?all non-elitists. <br />if we could legally abolish the practice of discrimination just on political level, we'd improve also our lot quite a bit!bozhidar balkasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29182791861842508192014-02-18T20:47:07.096-06:002014-02-18T20:47:07.096-06:00For the record, most people, man and woman alike, ...For the record, most people, man and woman alike, minded their own business. But there was alot of side eye from white people and black people in a few places, particularly when we visited the small town my husband was from. <br /><br /><br />But if I have to quantify it, the people who were most vocal and in our faces were black men. Some joked like "C'mon sistah come on back!" Making a flirtatious joke of it, tho I couldn't help but think they wouldn't have dared if he had been black. In fact I doubt they have noticed me at all if he had been black too. <br /><br /><br />One time a black dude actually crossed the street to scream at us that I should be ashamed of myself and that I was nothing but a gold digger and a sell out. Funny that I had to physically restrain my husband, and yet this dude didn't seem to notice him, he was so focused on me. Honestly, that seemed to be the main theme of my negative experience with black guys. They were obviously reacting to my being with a white guy, but they weren't directing their anger at him, only at me for being with him. Like I had personally betrayed them somehow, even tho I didn't know them from adam nor they me.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-17721351888440518362014-02-18T19:36:28.470-06:002014-02-18T19:36:28.470-06:00As you have most certainly hinted at in your smart...As you have most certainly hinted at in your smart comment, racism, sexism, and misogyny overlap with one another.<br /><br /><br />How did black men treat you? I am legitimately curious. Total strangers would come up to you and harass you? I have dated many women who are not black, I have gotten some looks from black women and could frankly care less. Just being honest. The one time there was a direct confrontation where some black women with poor home training and even worst manners and class were disrespectful to my girlfriend who happened to be Asian. I will not repeat the mix of insults she responded with at which point the skulked off like the debris they were.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19264945078859876702014-02-18T18:57:52.222-06:002014-02-18T18:57:52.222-06:00I don't understand the objection to the commen...I don't understand the objection to the commenter's story as posted here. He could be trolling I suppose, but mostly he sounds to me like he is a white dude who is maybe beginning to buy a clue about race, but will never truly get there, because of his own sexism. <br /><br />I have been the black girl on the arm of the white dude, and from my own experience, it's not for nothing that he would say that the most openly hostile comments on the white man/black woman pairing very often comes from men who happen to be black or latino. <br /><br />I see a golden opportunity to unpack the sexism and misogyny expressed by the commenter along with his racial cluelessness, Take this comment:<br /><br />"She was not only beautiful, she was frankly very sexy. Women of any race with large breasts are by very many men just assumed to be hyper-sexual." <br /><br /> As "commonsense" as this comment may seem, it's also pretty telling of how he views women and how he viewed his girlfriend. The objectifying language he uses to describe his alleged "lost love" is, at least to me, indicates his unthinking sexism just as much as it indicates his unthinking racism.<br /><br />I guess my point is that it's not so hard for me to believe that this guy is being on the level, because I've been the girl he's talking about. But maybe it takes being that girl to see how racism and sexism AREN'T exotic bedfellows tailor made for penthouse tall tales, they are two sides of the same effed up story that happens everyday.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-22908333602019438012014-02-18T04:41:24.978-06:002014-02-18T04:41:24.978-06:00Scapegoating black people for the country's pr...Scapegoating black people for the country's problems for centuries (Lincoln: "It is the presence of the negro race in our midst that is the cause for all this calamity. It would be best if we could repatriate your kind elsewhere). <br /><br /><br />Also, corruption scandals from local black politicians often make headline news (Detroit, Marion Barry, Jesse Jackson Jr., everything Obama has done), I can't think of any white mayors or state officials involved in corrupt politics getting headline attention (not without quickly being dismissed or getting sympathy from large numbers of the population; Rob Ford, TEA Party/IRS scandal). <br /><br />The 'corrupt black politician' line goes way back to the overthrow of Reconstruction governments and even further to abolitionist politicians.Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88564346277964484112014-02-17T23:53:10.594-06:002014-02-17T23:53:10.594-06:00Scripted. The good kind too. That Mona Scott, VH1,...Scripted. The good kind too. That Mona Scott, VH1, 2 reunion special, REAL... This another story that seeks empathy from whites while promoting hatred for the black male simultaneously which is 1/2 of the compound systematic racism.<br /><br />If you buy into this BS then you will never believe your grandmother generations prior was ever raped & that the red-bone, high-yellow populace is a result of Sally/Thomas love affairs...Learning IS Eternalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-84526682868377260462014-02-17T20:20:05.694-06:002014-02-17T20:20:05.694-06:00Smart comment.
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Michael Dunn had two non-U...Smart comment.<br /><br />------<br /><br />Michael Dunn had two non-US citizen Columbian wives. No doubt so that he would have authority over them and be able to control them.kokaneehttp://www.byebyedemocracy.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-81624376578409527442014-02-17T18:20:18.556-06:002014-02-17T18:20:18.556-06:00That is priceless. I am sure there is some version...That is priceless. I am sure there is some version of the above as a penthouse letter.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23531415879302185352014-02-17T18:19:53.886-06:002014-02-17T18:19:53.886-06:00They love black and brown folks retail not wholesa...They love black and brown folks retail not wholesale.chauncey devegahttp://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-19201987317444363022014-02-17T14:15:01.852-06:002014-02-17T14:15:01.852-06:00seriously? John Hanson?seriously? John Hanson?Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-23526351198641267152014-02-17T13:55:57.107-06:002014-02-17T13:55:57.107-06:00Duncan Tweedy's got 1355 public comments from ...Duncan Tweedy's got 1355 public comments from which it's the easiest thing in the world to ascertain his sincerity.<br /><br />DeVega's got countless comments and posts from which it's the easiest thing in the world to ascertain that he's a neurotic asshat projectively whining about whitey.johnhansonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-20144795663374537442014-02-17T13:28:56.242-06:002014-02-17T13:28:56.242-06:00I would tend toward the latter, the unaware but un...I would tend toward the latter, the unaware but unable to understand his own issues with race. However, it may be a bit of both.Myshkin the Idiotnoreply@blogger.com