tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post1362105288381329582..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: 10 Ways That the Birthers Are an Object Lesson in White PrivilegeLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-69396715856020999012011-05-07T04:44:42.396-05:002011-05-07T04:44:42.396-05:00@Big. Let em be pissed. You are right though...a h...@Big. Let em be pissed. You are right though...a hit dog does howl.<br /><br />@Bruce. The Birther tea baggers are an interesting lot. I hope they gain more influence as that will make it more likely the GOP house of cards will further collapse.<br /><br />@Green. Thanks. As most good things do it wrote itself on a napkin at a bar over a few beers. Funny how life works that way.<br /><br />@Pat. Thanks<br /><br />@Anon1. Cool. Keep fighting you have to tell your folks the truth even if they don't listen. You got the in.<br /><br />@Woe. Race and class--the eternal overlap. Why don't poor and working class white sees the obvious as you do?<br /><br />@Bob. Got to check it out. Thanks for the tip.<br /><br />@Anon2. Good point. The Haunting of the President is a great documentary that highlights the Right's madness at going after Clinton. I agree, but the racial angle is like explosives added to their already smoldering fire.<br /><br />@D. Thanks. Appreciated. Stay around. Chime in some more on other posts.<br /><br />@Anon3--Massa's house is burning. You need to grab a pail and help put out the fire. If need be, throw yourself on the flames to help smother them.<br /><br />@Rikyrah. Thanks. We should collaborate on something together. Saw the link at J and J, let's build.<br /><br />@Fred. I hope you are well. How are things? You know I love a good fight. Judge me by my foes as the old saying goes.<br /><br />@Mack. Be nice. Those double black face negro race minstrel Conservatives are sensitive. Give them hugs before you throw them out the window ;)chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-52222744232611372792011-05-06T22:35:09.485-05:002011-05-06T22:35:09.485-05:00You know, I find it a bit off when someone claims ...You know, I find it a bit off when someone claims their "race" in a conversation, and then proceeds to denigrate their fellow "racial counterparts" on the pretext that the person they support is somehow not "authentic" and therefore not focused enough on their issues and that people of "X" race should not support him. Anonymous @ 5:55pm does this in spades. Probably the reason why he/she remains "Anonymous".<br /><br />Mentioning Cornell West was another big giveaway, no disrespect intended.<br /><br />Perhaps you should study your "How To Pretend To Be a Black Guy Who Happens To Have A Conservative Bent on Message Boards and Blogs" a bit more. Maybe you can pick up a few useful tricks to keep from being found out sooner.Mack Lyonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07083048590136176643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-16051024823426067082011-05-05T20:17:42.941-05:002011-05-05T20:17:42.941-05:00Don't let the Anon's of the world get you ...Don't let the Anon's of the world get you down. I think it was Oscar Wilde who wrote (preface to "Picture of Dorian Grey?") that if all of the critics like your stuff, there's something wrong with it.fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24111166643126682932011-05-05T19:04:22.694-05:002011-05-05T19:04:22.694-05:00thanks for this...this is absolutely on point...br...thanks for this...this is absolutely on point...bravorikyrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982657053583534299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37483750192710720862011-05-05T16:55:26.995-05:002011-05-05T16:55:26.995-05:00As a "Negro" in America I am disgusted b...As a "Negro" in America I am disgusted by the lack of perspective in this article. Obama doesn't embody the American dream and you insult every person who got themselves out of the ghetto by saying so. I was the first in my family to graduate from high school and college. Obama was raised as a part of the intellectual establishment. My parents still live off SSDI and food stamps in a tiny crappy rent controlled apartment. Obama is going to raise one billion dollars for his campaign. Has he ever done a single thing for the black community. Stop being blinded by race. Obama sold his blackness to the white establishment in exchange for power. As cornel west said, he is just another black puppet of the white wall street oligarchy. Wake the hell up and stop playing into their engineered system in which you agree with a tyrant just because he is black. I'm sick to my stomach after reading this. You are a disgrace upon all African-American or "brown" people in America. I am sorry that you can even call yourself part of our community while you blindly follow a puppet who was put into power by Wall Street. Obama is robbing our country blind and has proven to be a bigger supporter of the upper class white establishment than the oppressed black community. You should be ashamed of yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-75266995624312513742011-05-05T15:59:58.164-05:002011-05-05T15:59:58.164-05:00Great analysis, thanks!Great analysis, thanks!D. Treehttp://progressive-politics.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-32299811629730090692011-05-05T09:49:31.806-05:002011-05-05T09:49:31.806-05:00I agree that the birther nonsense is racially moti...I agree that the birther nonsense is racially motivated for a lot, if not most ,people,but don't think for a minute that this would have been a non-issue if Obama was White. If Bill Clinton had been born in Hawaii to an American mother and an Irish father, the Right would have been all over him, as well.Or put another way: if Obama had won as a Republican, would this issue have gained the traction that it did, or would it have died the same quick death that Bush's missing service records did? You only have to look as far as Bristol Palin's out-of-wedlock child to see IOKIYAR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-91477493811095462202011-05-05T09:44:16.519-05:002011-05-05T09:44:16.519-05:00"Imagine if Sarah Palin, a person who wallows..."Imagine if Sarah Palin, a person who wallows in mediocrity and wears failure as a virtue, were any race other than White."<br /><br />Chauncey, have you seen the Peter Sellers film "Being There"? This quote reminds me of it.Bob Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281390652995621116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-79987237492543511972011-05-05T09:43:37.024-05:002011-05-05T09:43:37.024-05:00Good article; but I believe #4 is a bit more nuanc...Good article; but I believe #4 is a bit more nuanced. I feel some of what is seen as racism is more along the lines of class warfare. My thoughts align more with a person of my social class, regardless of skin color, more than they do with someone just because they are white. Stand my poor ass up next to a person of any color who is just as poor as I am and Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, or any other will see me as trash just the same.Woefatcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-30505542945404645042011-05-05T09:20:30.576-05:002011-05-05T09:20:30.576-05:00"The pundit classes have finally seen the obv..."The pundit classes have finally seen the obvious: race is the driving force behind Trump and the Tea Party GOP's obsession with Obama's birth certificate. When those not White said as much they were dismissed."<br /><br />Only quibble: I'm White; I've been saying as much since mid-2008 and I was dismissed too.<br /><br />Great post though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24959281028814300362011-05-05T07:40:08.277-05:002011-05-05T07:40:08.277-05:00great post and sadly hits the markgreat post and sadly hits the markStephen T McWilliamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06677913351485957588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-21180882222572850602011-05-05T07:31:47.940-05:002011-05-05T07:31:47.940-05:00This is the best treatment of this obvious, and ye...This is the best treatment of this obvious, and yet furiously denied fact that I have ever read. Thanks for an exceptionally well written and researched comment.Green Eaglehttp://www.largegreenbird.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-63783262037837993492011-05-05T07:26:15.194-05:002011-05-05T07:26:15.194-05:00That's what I'm saying! I believe in the ...That's what I'm saying! I believe in the ten points that point to the pointless and unsubstantiated ASSertions by the birther/teabagger that our good President Obama is not worthy for this reason or that, when their ENTIRE motivation is that he's BLACK!!Bruce Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13111772096127974406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-74078890963542560762011-05-04T15:56:27.697-05:002011-05-04T15:56:27.697-05:00I can see why this would piss a lot of people off....I can see why this would piss a lot of people off.<br /><br />Great work.Big Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02510881583909431416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-61913645350115170232011-05-03T23:55:01.519-05:002011-05-03T23:55:01.519-05:00@Daniel. Thanks. Always so kind and encouraging.
...@Daniel. Thanks. Always so kind and encouraging.<br /><br />@Vesuvian. Please don't insult mentally damaged and defective children by comparing them to the tea baggers ;)<br /><br />@Fred C. There are so many stories we can share about the criminal injustice system. But then again we all know that only those bad negroes and greasers are in jail because they deserve it.<br /><br />@Pree-oz. How dare you suggest that George Bush was incompetent! Show us his grades in school! How did he get there! Was he a benefit of "affirmative action" for white men? Channeling my reverse Uncle Pat Buchanan.<br /><br />@Dr. Becky. I thought you Canadians were more evolved? You all disgust me ;)chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-57219839896103039442011-05-03T23:36:12.851-05:002011-05-03T23:36:12.851-05:00"Whiteness still imagines African Americans a..."Whiteness still imagines African Americans and other people of color as semi-permanent outsiders."<br /><br />Absolutely. This is the mindset responsible for the 'everyday racism' of the question: "Where are you from?" that people of colour get on a regular basis from white people in Canada and the U.S.<br /><br />Case in point: mere hours after my son was born a nurse stuck her head into the hospital bassinet, looked at my child and asked "What nationality is the father?" Her whiteness blinded her from seeing my brown baby as a Canadian citizen, needing to establish his "otherness" almost from the moment of his birth.dr. beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03361001097756087076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-24417252996593287142011-05-03T21:08:23.674-05:002011-05-03T21:08:23.674-05:00In America, Chris Rock hit the nail on the head by...In America, Chris Rock hit the nail on the head by saying that society will be equal when we elect a black dumbass president like George Bush. (Case and point: We would never elect Michael Steele.)<br />For this reason, Obama is head and shoulders above any other candidate that ran in 2008 and in my opinion, almost ever. I'm not endorsing him, I'm just talking about his qualifications. <br />I hear Pat Buchanan and others defend Sarah Palin saying that liberals attacked Palin's academic records, and that it is fair to ask for Obama's records.<br />May I conjecture that Palin's idiocy compelled the argument, and the profound idiocy in equating Obama and her... infuriates me. <br />Also, I used to beat certain "friends" out of jobs and stupid contests in college, like getting an RA position. You know a person's heart when they say, "It's because they want diversity that you would get that job." You know what dumbass? I am head and shoulders better than you--because in our country, you have to be MUCH better to beat out the George Bushes in every competition. That's the sad reality of it.Pree-ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353760866737973414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-65620175106282970192011-05-03T20:19:16.352-05:002011-05-03T20:19:16.352-05:00Whiteness is also the permission to hold an opinio...Whiteness is also the permission to hold an opinion that has no factual basis. Re: Number Four, most White Americans would tell you that the criminal justice system is racially fair, but a little bit of talking to those caught up in it disproves that premise immediately. Back in the day, a Hispanic friend of mine did a two-to-five in New York State for a drug thing. Prisoners compare notes on who got what, for what, and the skinny was that if my friend were Black, he would have gotten five-to-seven; if he were White, he'd have gotten off, with maybe some probation. <br /><br />So I appreciate my good fortune (while feeling a little sheepish about it). Without going into detail, if I were Black, I'd have a record.fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-13119670503924643742011-05-03T18:59:24.011-05:002011-05-03T18:59:24.011-05:00this tea party racism without racists, as you put ...this tea party racism without racists, as you put it, reminds me of the argument Lillian Smith makes in <i>Killers of the Dream</i>, esp. in "Two Men and a Bargain".<br /><br />It's no wonder the corporatist/capitalist right wing sponsors the Tea Party. That the movement's members can't see <b>IT</b>--the bargain, that is--is the 11th Way on your list.<br /><br />(The comments on Alternet are typically execrable.)<br /><br />great stuff. thanks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04336286974067459325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37799629867732418822011-05-03T11:28:29.066-05:002011-05-03T11:28:29.066-05:00You're so witty; so clever. Consider this: the...You're so witty; so clever. Consider this: the only reason all this seems like a color issue is b/c that's where the energy is being directed.<br /><br />If your mentally challenged child asked more of you than you could bear, what would you do? Sometimes adversity is the slow learner that proves the humility of the loyal.Vesuvian Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16062107777688049616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-39072938720779121102011-05-03T10:09:34.265-05:002011-05-03T10:09:34.265-05:00Typically outstanding (I know, oxymoronic, but the...Typically outstanding (I know, oxymoronic, but there it is).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com