tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post1178100513472739354..comments2024-03-22T20:34:13.792-05:00Comments on Indomitable | The online home of Chauncey DeVega: They Live to Rape History: Black Conservative Allen West is Here to Save African-Americans from the Evil Democratic PlantationLady Zora, Chauncey DeVega, and Gordon Gartrellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09138154899923808806noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-56979752069687353292011-08-20T07:35:40.695-05:002011-08-20T07:35:40.695-05:00The Irish are totally assimilated and considered w...The Irish are totally assimilated and considered white now. We are talking about ongoing oppression here. Please see earlier discussion about white racial frame i.e. it's not ALWAYS all about you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-39979498425999997232011-08-19T19:28:30.048-05:002011-08-19T19:28:30.048-05:00The abuse of history is a thread in the post, and ...The abuse of history is a thread in the post, and the whitewashing of negative events is a big part of it. But I was off on a tangent, that's for sure. I just think that it's important that no particular oppressed group feels like The Fates singled them out for suffering. History is rife with examples, as are current events.fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-88632049370612220582011-08-19T07:06:49.487-05:002011-08-19T07:06:49.487-05:00Why did you bring up the Irish.Why did you bring up the Irish.Irrelevantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-29024561340111728262011-08-19T05:24:07.874-05:002011-08-19T05:24:07.874-05:00One good thing about being Irish-American these da...One good thing about being Irish-American these days is that one is virtually invisible. Unless your name is O'Shaunessy people hardly notice. So if some ignorant Irish-Americans do some stupid things, politically or otherwise, we don't all get blamed for it, or culled for study as a group. <br /><br />I'll tell you one true thing though: our history has been subject to revisionist sanitation to a degree at least as great as the groups already mentioned. Much easier all around, because our long apprenticeship has ended and we are now accepted into the circle of Whiteness, at least in America, those Englishmen still laugh behind our backs. <br /><br />No one talks anymore about the Penal Laws; the "door tax;" the "window tax;" the bounty on priests; the raggedy men; the Coffin Ships; or the Great Hunger. If one reads about the Famine these days, and is not bloody careful about it, it all looks like a perfectly natural catastrophe in which the English did their level best to try to help their beloved Irish cousins. The sanitized version, in other words. <br /><br />I would never suggest that the experience of Irish-Americans, in America, even approached in horror the experience of Black Americans, that would be foolish. But I would point out that the worst part of the Irish horror took place in Ireland, during the several hundred year period of English mercantile colonialism, and it is by that yardstick that our journey should be understood. <br /><br />(Interestingly, it was the same, certain people who abused the Irish and the Africans in question, over the same several centuries long period.)fred chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812811681270634366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-37969838065223500292011-08-18T19:43:13.370-05:002011-08-18T19:43:13.370-05:00It's not exactly analogous to what you are tal...It's not exactly analogous to what you are talking about, but American jews who fail to buy into far-right-wing conceptions of Israeli politics and the domestic interests of jews in America and dare to criticize things that Israel does and the domestic agenda of far-right-wing American jews are routinely accused by far-right-wing American jews as "self-hating jews" or "traitors to the jewish people".Comrade PhysioProfhttp://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-67547391378109663022011-08-18T18:27:59.067-05:002011-08-18T18:27:59.067-05:00Nomad. You know how I love talking about the slave...Nomad. You know how I love talking about the slave drivers. They are still with us for sure. Black Conservatives being one type, and limousine liberal bigotry of low expectations types the flip side of the same coin.chaunceydevegahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652406326490873337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57113078446695664.post-45073359756637103932011-08-18T16:34:38.028-05:002011-08-18T16:34:38.028-05:00"slavery and colonialism also created a class..."slavery and colonialism also created a class of black and brown folks who wanted to be honorary Whites."<br /><br />That is an interesting observation. This slave-driver class has received little historical attention. Where is this class today? Are they all Republicans?nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196543910280589478noreply@blogger.com